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[dbay]

 

why not just remove the fingers, toes, and lips first,it not like dwarfs need them.

good call. I'll do that and see how it goes.

[iceball3]

They won't be able to stand up or hold stuff i believe.

[JoRo]

They won't be able to stand up or hold stuff i believe.

It's actually the hands and feet that are needed to grasp and stance, the fingers and toes are purely aesthetic.  I have a few modded creatures that get by fine without.

[GreatWyrmGold]

They won't be able to stand up or hold stuff i believe.

It's actually the hands and feet that are needed to grasp and stance, the fingers and toes are purely aesthetic.  I have a few modded creatures that get by fine without.

Weird.

[Deon]

I believe that the temperature is still there on the tile with magma, so while such suit could protect from a magma covering, it would be helpless against your dwarves' fat burning and making them bleed to death.

They won't be able to stand up or hold stuff i believe.

It's actually the hands and feet that are needed to grasp and stance, the fingers and toes are purely aesthetic.  I have a few modded creatures that get by fine without.

Weird.

Nothing weird here. They hold items with their hands, not fingers; otherwise you would have dwarves with an axe in each finger.

[iceball3]

Actually, you don't get any magma coverings, which needs to be changed. Try taking a dip in magma for 1 turn without burnable clothing. You'll live getting right back out because a lack of said covering, hence how the fat removal dip in magma trick only goes sufficiently fast if you spend 2-3 turns in the molten rock.

[zilpin]

@dbay
Care to post your RAWs?

[dbay]

Sure:
The magma suit:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[ITEM_ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_HAZMAT]
[NAME:hazmat suit:hazmat suits]
[ARMORLEVEL:1]
[UBSTEP:MAX]
[LBSTEP:MAX]
[LAYER:UNDER]
[COVERAGE:100]
[LAYER_SIZE:10]
[LAYER_PERMIT:50]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:12]
[HARD]
[METAL]

and accompanying boots:

[ITEM_SHOES:ITEM_SHOES_HAZMAT]
[NAME:hazmat boot:hazmat boots]
[UPSTEP:MAX]
[LAYER:UNDER]
[COVERAGE:100]
[LAYER_SIZE:10]
[LAYER_PERMIT:100]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[METAL]
[HARD]

Make sure he also wears gauntlets and a helm and cap. Not sure how critical they are, but can't hurt.

Cold Iron: Its just iron but with a different spec_heat and fixed_heat.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[INORGANIC:COLD_IRON]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:METAL_TEMPLATE]
   [STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:cold iron]
   [STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:molten cold iron]
   [STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:boiling cold iron]
   [DISPLAY_COLOR:0:7:1]
   [MATERIAL_VALUE:15]
   [SPEC_HEAT:4500000]
   [FIXED_TEMP:9900]
   [MELTING_POINT:12768]
   [BOILING_POINT:15150]
   [ITEMS_WEAPON][ITEMS_WEAPON_RANGED][ITEMS_AMMO][ITEMS_DIGGER][ITEMS_ARMOR]
   [ITEMS_HARD]
   [ITEMS_METAL]
   [ITEMS_BARRED]
   [ITEMS_SCALED]
   [SOLID_DENSITY:7850]
   [LIQUID_DENSITY:6980]
   [MOLAR_MASS:55845]
   [IMPACT_YIELD:542500] Was 1080000, but just using 3.5x tensile multiples for everything until better numbers are available, which might not be likely
   [IMPACT_FRACTURE:1085000]
   [IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:319]
   [COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:542500]
   [COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:1085000]
   [COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:319] bulk modulus 170 GPa
   [TENSILE_YIELD:155000]
   [TENSILE_FRACTURE:310000]
   [TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:73] young's modulus 211 GPa
   [TORSION_YIELD:155000]
   [TORSION_FRACTURE:310000]
   [TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:189]
   [SHEAR_YIELD:155000]
   [SHEAR_FRACTURE:310000]
   [SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:189] shear modulus 82 GPa
   [BENDING_YIELD:155000]
   [BENDING_FRACTURE:310000]
   [BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:73]
   [MAX_EDGE:10000]

[zilpin]

Thanks.
Used that, reproduce exactly what you report.
Interestingly, I didn't need the boots at all.  Feet were fine, toes burned off no matter what.

I tried to remove toes and fingers from dwarves.  Strangely, the result was that the head became exposed to the magma.
After removing all facial features, the whole body became exposed.

Maybe later I'll try turning lips, fingers, and toes into a hair tissue type, so they get burned off but don't bleed.

[iceball3]

Thanks.
Used that, reproduce exactly what you report.
Interestingly, I didn't need the boots at all.  Feet were fine, toes burned off no matter what.

I tried to remove toes and fingers from dwarves.  Strangely, the result was that the head became exposed to the magma.
After removing all facial features, the whole body became exposed.

Maybe later I'll try turning lips, fingers, and toes into a hair tissue type, so they get burned off but don't bleed.

Maybe the beard was preventing leaks in the suit? 
I jest, I jest.

[zilpin]

Never mind, not working.
It took so long for the fingers/toes/lips to take damage, and they were always the first, so I thought it was working.

But I caught a dwarf right before he died, and his whole body was melting.
Doing side-by-side tests with naked and fully armored dwarves, they die at just about the same time.
Looks like the fixed temperature is being ignored for its occupant.

After modding lips/finger/toes to be cartilage, they don't bleed, but the dwarf ends up melting everywhere else in the same time lips used to.

[dbay]

that's weird. can you give the extremities a fixed temp? or make them out of a material with one?

[mcdonaldjord]

you could always just give mr dwarf [FIREIMMUNE_SUPER] it worked with my dwarfs and there fire armor .... sadly the armor keeps melting

[Lancensis]

And [NOBREATHE] of course. Drowning would be an embarrassing way to go, for a magma-immune superdwarf

[UristMcDwarf]

I believe that the temperature is still there on the tile with magma, so while such suit could protect from a magma covering, it would be helpless against your dwarves' fat burning and making them bleed to death.

They won't be able to stand up or hold stuff i believe.

It's actually the hands and feet that are needed to grasp and stance, the fingers and toes are purely aesthetic.  I have a few modded creatures that get by fine without.

Weird.

Nothing weird here. They hold items with their hands, not fingers; otherwise you would have dwarves with an axe in each finger.

Is this a bad thing? :/