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[NewSheoth]

Oh, and yes, lumber. I don't know where do elves get that much lumber with their hyper-ecological policies, but I buy out all of it when they come to trade. Saves me the dwarftime I can use for stupid dwarf tricks.

[KillerClowns]

Oh, and yes, lumber. I don't know where do elves get that much lumber with their hyper-ecological policies, but I buy out all of it when they come to trade. Saves me the dwarftime I can use for stupid dwarf tricks.

I just had an idea.  Maybe they send elves with axes all the way out to evil biomes and have them chop down the dead trees there... my respect for them would multiply tenfold if that were the case.

[Internet Kraken]

My problem is the way they just walk in and flat out tell you they won't allow you to cut down trees. Not "We respect nature and ask that you do to" not "If you don't cut down all these trees, we'll give you free shit", they just demand it, insulting you and calling you a butcher while they're at it. They'll probably do it even if you haven't touched a single tree, they just assume you think about nothing else than tree-killing because you're dwarves. They're not hippies, they're racist assholes.

This. I hate Elves becuase they are a bunch of pricks. Even when you do what they want, they will still insult you, believing themselves to be superior. They're not a bunch of hippies that just want everyone to love each other and live in peace They're elitist assholes that mock and berate anyone who disagrees with their veiwpoints. They always veiw themselves as the superior species. They probably would try to kill everyone else if they weren't so weak. Hence why I have no moral repercussions about killing them whenever they bother me.

Evles really aren't hippies since hippies don't try to kill people. Elves are more like eco terrorists.

[KillerClowns]

My problem is the way they just walk in and flat out tell you they won't allow you to cut down trees. Not "We respect nature and ask that you do to" not "If you don't cut down all these trees, we'll give you free shit", they just demand it, insulting you and calling you a butcher while they're at it. They'll probably do it even if you haven't touched a single tree, they just assume you think about nothing else than tree-killing because you're dwarves. They're not hippies, they're racist assholes.

The Dev Team Thinks of Everything: if you've not chopped down a single tree, sometimes they'll compliment you (sorta), saying they wish all dwarf-kind could be as loving of nature as your fortress.  (Even if, as was the case for me, this is because there aren't any trees to cut down, save those beneath an aquifer).

[NewSheoth]

I just had an idea.  Maybe they send elves with axes all the way out to evil biomes and have them chop down the dead trees there... my respect for them would multiply tenfold if that were the case.

That would probably mean that we're getting haunted, twisted, EVIL undead trees sold to us as perfectly clean-and-fresh lumber. Those elf merchants...

[synkell]

Well, if that is the case . Good thing i sold all those used loincloth to them then.

[Uzu Bash]

I don't know about hippies

Well, nobody here does, they just like throwing the word around. Contemptible neo-hippes make it easy to forget that the originals were the ones who charged unarmed into riots against armored cops. Some did that for fun on a Saturday night. It's not just about 'peace, man'; there's the sex and drugs, too.

[jei]

I still think they're annoying, pretentious, depreciative bastards who eat their fallen enemies, abuse animals and look like gals.

Have you actually looked at their descriptions in DF, ever? -- You should, might get a good laught out of it. I wouldn't call them "looking like gals" after reading some of their females' descriptions...
I have looked at some and they were, by human standards, ugly as a mixed goblin+troll+human+dwarf. Nothing like normal elves in fantasy. Or women, for that matter.

Makes me wonder about their genealogy...

[Uzu Bash]

Rope reed has it's uses, but I sure don't want to plant and process the crap myself. I buy loads of it to limit the amount my thieving hospitals can bankrupt the silk production. And as with the rest of elf products, it's cheap as hell. I hardly have to empty a bin of finished goods to buy their full caravan out.

[Silent_Thunder]

I've always felt the reason for the elves having so much wood and hating you for deforesting is the same reason a drug dealer will shoot a dealer who encroaches on their turf. They just want to control the lumber market.

[BaronVonBullshit]

I like them because they typically bring exotic animals.

[Zidane]

I use normally leave elves alone, give them a favorable bonus when trading, but...

If I have a dwarf that needs training in a subject... like let's say "swordsdwarfship" I may lock the gate, give that dwarf a recently purchased training sword, and then have that dwarf beat the merchants to death with it. After words, he'll get a cool engraving of him bludgeoning elves to death with their own merchandise.

(As a rule I make my broker do this.)

[Samuel]

My problem is the way they just walk in and flat out tell you they won't allow you to cut down trees. Not "We respect nature and ask that you do to" not "If you don't cut down all these trees, we'll give you free shit", they just demand it, insulting you and calling you a butcher while they're at it. They'll probably do it even if you haven't touched a single tree, they just assume you think about nothing else than tree-killing because you're dwarves. They're not hippies, they're racist assholes.

The Dev Team Thinks of Everything: if you've not chopped down a single tree, sometimes they'll compliment you (sorta), saying they wish all dwarf-kind could be as loving of nature as your fortress.  (Even if, as was the case for me, this is because there aren't any trees to cut down, save those beneath an aquifer).

This game kicks ass.

[warwizard]

I tolerate the elves, buy all their trees, barrells, cages, plants, and bags they bring even if I do not need the items inside them.
  Saves me a ton of construction for the cost of being carefull not to hand off any blood soaked shoes, and  bone, hooves, horn, wood, or leather decorated items, clears out my looted from invaders finished goods, and lets my captian of the guard sell some of his masterwork miniskirts.

[Killing Time]

I've actually traded a lot more with the elves than the humans lately. I get loads of bears, booze, logs, and barrels from them while the humans bring shit.