Wow you backed right off, well you said you'd provide us with the answer why later so that's cool.
My explanation is fairly simple; I just don't trust Kamina enough. Or anyone other than Murphy at the moment, really, and even him only a little more than the rest of you. Reading back through the thread, I can't get over how differently Kamina appears to have behaved when you compare day 1 to day 2. As such, since it seems this game is going to go into a two-way tie before the end, I don't want to give him the final vote.
After all, if he and his scumbuddy were online at the time and he placed his final vote on a townie, they could both shorten and - assuming none of us were online at the time to prevent this - Toaster would have no choice but to bring on the night instantly rather than at the allotted time.
I'm not sure whether or not it is permissable to use counter-shortens in this game, so I'm being cautious. I still suspect you the most, Flintus, but I don't want to risk a last-minute scum win. Hrm; perhaps I've played too much IRC Mafia. This kind of stuff happens all the time in that...
I have to rethink everything as while I don't think Azure is quite the mafia god we have made him out to be anymore I still don't think he is scum. Though that could change after looking back.
I never claimed to be, nor was I ever such a thing in the first. If you allow your own presumptions to run away with you, I can hardly be blamed.
Sorry for asking so often but I assumed you had a reason other than not suspecting other people. It's not easy to defend myself just based on your process of elimination
The process of elimination can work quite well, and good scum have a knack for having an explanation for everything. It's nice to sometimes have an argument that can't be defeated by twisting meanings or outright lying.
I guess it could sound like that but after playing for all this time I'd really rather not lose without getting a single scum.
Neither would I. Hence the reason I wish to lynch you.
You have been very active and I am grateful for that (1) but here you are basically saying you have almost given up and don't really care about the game anymore (2). I suppose it is good to stick with your vote rather than doing a whole lot and getting nowhere but your case against me isn't that strong (3) and as stated you barely care anymore which is why it is annoying that everyone will still hang of your every word >_> (4).
1) You shouldn't have to be grateful. Ever. None of us should have had to struggle just to stay even semi-active. It's like you're thanking me for not being lazy.
2) That hasn't happened just yet. I've invested enough time into this game to care about the outcome, but that doesn't mean I want to win so badly I'll refuse to lynch until I'm sure. We're just gonna get bogged down in meaningless discussion, endless reiteration of our intended targets and switch our votes on flights of fancy unless we vote quite soon. I'd rather not hang around to see such a fun game degenerate into something like that.
3) We thought we were certain on Otto. We weren't. We thought we were certain on Jet. Again, we weren't. Ergo, explain to me how arguing a matter to death has solved the town's problems thus far. Also, out of curiosity, whom do you propose we lynch? Other than a few soft attacks on me, you haven't seriously FoS'ed a single player today. Hell, you don't even seem to have a vote in mind. Unless you're planning to vote for me, the guy you keep saying most likely isn't scum? An OMGUS; that'll sure help your argument on day 3. >.>
4) Like I said, I'm not even sure why in the hell anyone is putting more stock into what I say than anyone else. Apparently I haven't scumslipped, (or at least haven't behaved stupidly) but even then I should still be treated as just another townie. Yeah, I'm a power role, but an impotent one. It confers no advantage, and gives my word no extra sway. I can still be as wrong as anyone else, as proven with Otto. Could be wrong about you, too, but I don't really mind. This game had a good life, apparently, and I had quite a bit of fun. It's all good.
Well I originally said I didn't really see it as a massive tell or anything but you defended yourself and I was just pointing out your defense really didn't prove anything.
I was pointing out that you don't have to be the first person on a vote to be instigator. Everyone on a vote is responsible, although I will admit that the first person to vote unfairly recieves either the praise or scorn of the other players, depending on what flipped. The fact that you appear to be telling me off for not being quick on the draw sounds awfully like you're telling me I should stop thinking through my final vote and should just throw it wherever I may.
How the hell am I supposed to know what your thinking? Saying something like that and then not following up on it? For all I know your lying now and your original plan was to wait for someone to take your bait so that you could follow up on them and since no-one did you saw Mind as another easy target instead.
Once again, your own fault for building up an exaggerated impression of me.
Oh, and... err...
really, now? Mind? An
easy target? Pfft. XD Did you read day 2 at
all? Hahahahahaa...
And don't say that it is not possible because remember I do not know what you are thinking and neither does everyone else so saying something like that is a massive WIFOM and if it isn't a scum-tell then at the very least it wasn't helpful to town. This theory would make alot of sense as you immediately jumped on two other targets when Kamina arrived and alot of suspicion was thrown on them, of course I doubt you would make such an obvious slip as you seem far better than that. But if it was a slip it was about the only one.
You're talking like WIFOM isn't inevitable in any given game of Mafia. In truth, every possible argument contains at least a bit of WIFOM. Everything from a cop claiming a guilty to a fool demanding a lynch. It can't be avoided, so we get on with it - we build up ideas of the personalities and character of each player as a game goes on, and declare what is a town or scum tell based on what they show us. If our impressions of someone turn out to be wrong, then you roll with it and keep looking. So stop crying that I'm not the person you thought I was and blaming me for misleading you; it's starting to get creepy and more than a bit annoying.
Yet when I do the same thing you base your entire suspicion of me around it.
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gah. *facepalm*
Didn't you just complain not to long ago - hell, in the same post - that you were upset with me going by a 'process of elimination'?
I agree that we are not looking at you from a good perspective as anything that may be a slip I kinow at least I am waving it off as "Ah bugger it Azure is too good to make a mistake like that."
Excellent. We're agreed, then; I'm not God.
Also I agree that it is highly unlikely that both mafia players are lurkers as this is a beginner game and I assume their IC would try to keep them active so I will go ahead and give Bayer some credit and say he'd be a good enough IC to keep one of them active. Cause if he encouraged them both to lurk then that is a massive dick-move.
...from what I can gather of Bayer, if he could keep both players active, he would. He doesn't come across as an under-handed sort of person, and seems as irritated as everyone else at the amount of lurkers on this forum. I get the impression that - if both Spade and ragnarok
were the scum - Bayer would've asked Toaster to replace them ages ago.
Also Murphy has quietened down a bit now that nobody is focusing on him.
HAH! Like you've never been quiet in this game before. XD
I'm gonna make my vote in about 5 hours, since I'll be going to bed then. Also, nice defense post,
Native. Very subtle.