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[NativeForeigner]

Okay, well, I don't have much to contribute, it seems like Azure's handling all of that. D:
We need to start applying a little more pressure before the day ends, so Flintus, prove to us that you're not scum. You have a fairly strong argument against you and Azure's on your ass. Why should the rest of us ignore this?

[Flintus10]

...in that case, I suppose Flintus and Native could be a strong scum team, but I'm still not entirely convinced - you could just be misled town, after all, Murphy. Flintus was my second scum vote anyway - after Kamina - so I'd have no problems with making him my final vote. Unvote, Vote Flintus.
Unless you'd rather use Kamina's worthless meta argument against me? You're welcome to try.

Your going to cost town the game by voting for me for no reason that I can see apart from ONE conversation with Spade on day freaking one. Even if you are town and therefore aren't 100% sure of my status don't you see that as a bit of a massive risk considering there are others you suspect above me?

You claim I do not scum-hunt, well dammit man I did try one the first two days...can't really say I am that terrible at it considering we all screwed up.

Look at it this way; if it hadn't been for me, do you really think Otto would have been lynched? Not the best claim to fame, admittedly, but as far as I can see, it's the truth. Just because I wasn't the first vote doesn't mean it wasn't my fault - but neither is it entirely my fault, either. You also thought he was scum, Kamina, when you voted for him. Or have you decided to conveniently forget this fact?

I do not doubt you provided the strongest argument against Ottofar but you were the third vote on him and the way he refused to defend himself against anything has me fairly certain that he would have been lynched anyways. And of course the fact that you got him lynched doesn't actually absolve you of anything. I think your trying to defend yourself in saying that you did not just wait for other people to vote and then follow them and this statement does not do that at all.

Azure Could I ask what it is you find more suspicious about Spade than Ragnarok considering they are both still in this game technically.

It was the fact that you could always notice him hanging around - he didn't say much, but he was usually there. He's scattered a number of pithy remarks over the course of the thread, whereas ragnarok was basically absent for near enough everything. On the other hand, I think Spade was also in the last BM... did he play like this in it? I can't remember, and I have to go now so I can't really check. Library's closing. >.>
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Here I am working with you, Don't you think constantly being online and even being willing to post fairly large posts explaining his absense (ragnarok, and a style of lurking I have not seen before) is a bit more suspicious than posting rarely and without content (also scummy don't get me wrong but also very common for a uncaring noob.)

You basically told the others that you would suspect me if Otto flipped town, was that only if you died? Because if not you seem to completely forgot about it.

Nope; clean forgot about it, as I didn't expect Otto to show up as town and then I became more invested in my argument with Mindmaker. I suppose you could say I'm making up for lost time now, huh?

So wait I forget to follow up on what was originally a meaningless question to get Spade active and that makes me scum and yet you throw out some WIFOM (I am fairly certain it is, you even went as far as saying "Make of that what you will".) saying that you will accuse me with a fair degree of certainty and prepare your lynch for day two and that's okay cause you forgot? This is all surprisingly sloppy Azure.

( Either way your making things fun again so ty for that)

[Flintus10]

Okay, well, I don't have much to contribute, it seems like Azure's handling all of that. D:
We need to start applying a little more pressure before the day ends, so Flintus, prove to us that you're not scum. You have a fairly strong argument against you and Azure's on your ass. Why should the rest of us ignore this?

Oh? and what is your argument against me?

[Flintus10]

Bwahaha I just realised after not ever paying attention to me Native is suddenly suspicious of me after a post by Azure. Is this all another trap laid out by you azure 

[Azure Sepulchre]

Bwahaha I just realised after not ever paying attention to me Native is suddenly suspicious of me after a post by Azure. Is this all another trap laid out by you azure 

Good God, man; I lay out one gambit at the start of the game that didn't even work, and suddenly I'm Keyser fucking Soze. >.>

Regardless, unless you've failed to notice, Native could easily be one of my lynches tomorrow. You're just the one I'm most sure about. And no, I don't only suspect you because of one argument - I simply think the Maf could not work properly had they been both of the lurkers. I no longer believe Murphy is scum, meaning you're all that's left of the active/semi-active group. I'm no longer 100% on which of the lurkers is the actual scum, so I choose you.

If - heaven forbid - the scum does turn out to be the two lurkers, I'm gonna be pretty pissed off... -_-

I'm gonna have to leave the Q&A at this, I'm afraid. This isn't even my laptop, and the guy's looking for it back. Sorry, brah.

[Flintus10]

Bwahaha I just realised after not ever paying attention to me Native is suddenly suspicious of me after a post by Azure. Is this all another trap laid out by you azure 

Good God, man; I lay out one gambit at the start of the game that didn't even work, and suddenly I'm Keyser fucking Soze. >.>

That was completely tongue in cheek no need to get upset.

Please when you get back on a computer just tell me why you are voting me and actually read through my posts and explain yourself. The more you post on this day the more you are seeming supect, which I assume if you are town you would want to avoid.

[KaminaSquirtle]

Again, don't have time to post much right now (damn physics homework), but I just COULDN'T RESIST here.

Bwahaha I just realised after not ever paying attention to me Native is suddenly suspicious of me after a post by Azure. Is this all another trap laid out by you azure 

Good God, man; I lay out one gambit at the start of the game that didn't even work, and suddenly I'm Keyser fucking Soze. >.>

That was completely tongue in cheek no need to get upset.

Please when you get back on a computer just tell me why you are voting me and actually read through my posts and explain yourself. The more you post on this day the more you are seeming supect, which I assume if you are town you would want to avoid.

WRONG.  Scum wants to avoid looking suspect.  Town wants to find scum, even if it gets them lynched.

[Flintus10]

...If a townie gets lynched now we lose Kamina

[KaminaSquirtle]

...If a townie gets lynched now we lose Kamina

I meant in general.  Townies shouldn't worry too much about looking good.  They should scumhunt.
Scum, however, need to not get lynched.  That is their one goal.
Hopefully we aren't stupid enough to lynch a townie for scumhunting at LYLO though.

[Azure Sepulchre]

That was completely tongue in cheek no need to get upset.

Pahaha! XD I'm not so daft as to be able to miss the winking smiley at the end of your post. Just because I didn't explicitly state it doesn't mean I wasn't being wry. Well, for the first line I was just fucking around; the rest I meant. Particularly concerning the possibility of lurker scum winning the game. That just ain't right.

We should've just lynched one of 'em back in day 1, saved ourselves the bother of today. -_-

Please when you get back on a computer just tell me why you are voting me and actually read through my posts and explain yourself. The more you post on this day the more you are seeming supect, which I assume if you are town you would want to avoid.

Ugh... stop asking me that when I've already answered it. I'll say why one more time. Read it.

I believe the scum to be one part lurker, one part active player. Murphy, I no longer consider scum. Between Kamina and Native, I'm still unsure - I'm leaning more heavily in Kamina's direction at the moment, but still unsure. However, you're the only active player left. I'm obviously not gonna vote myself, I've already said I don't suspect Murphy, I'm about 55-45 between Kamina and Native. That just leaves you.

Your going to cost town the game by voting for me for no reason that I can see apart from ONE conversation with Spade on day freaking one.

I love this argument. It sounds so much like a threat from scum. Kamina's used it, too, I believe. Heh.

Even if you are town and therefore aren't 100% sure of my status don't you see that as a bit of a massive risk considering there are others you suspect above me?

Christ, man; frankly speaking, this game is wearing me out. I've put more effort and time into this than I have into my god damn university work. Win or lose, I want it to end before I lose interest. A big part of what's holding me here is a simple obligation to keep playing, but even that won't last forever. You and Kamina are the best I have to go with for today - you, in particular - so I'm gonna settle for it instead of continuing to second-guess myself until I end up voting for myself or Toaster or something. If you wanna keep on arguing your cause, do it to the other two townies. Perhaps you can spin it all into a lynch on me before the end; who knows? I just hope you can do it before I simply stop caring.

I think your trying to defend yourself in saying that you did not just wait for other people to vote and then follow them and this statement does not do that at all.

The hell do you want from me? How does not being the first vote on anyone dead make me undeniable scum, anyway? What am I supposed to be defending myself against? Where are you even trying to go with this line of questioning? Have you even thought that far ahead? Or are you just firing out questions with no real bearing on much of anything and hoping for a scumslip to pounce on?

So wait I forget to follow up on what was originally a meaningless question to get Spade active and that makes me scum and yet you throw out some WIFOM (I am fairly certain it is, you even went as far as saying "Make of that what you will".) saying that you will accuse me with a fair degree of certainty and prepare your lynch for day two and that's okay cause you forgot? This is all surprisingly sloppy Azure.

Eh, I was being rhetorical in a whimsical way. I had already stated what I meant, and simply added the 'make of that what you will' as a bit of flavour. I find it difficult to believe you didn't figure that out, so I must presume you're being obtuse on purpose. Besides, Jet was a smarter lynch than you for day 2 anyway, considering at the time there was still the acute possibility of him being scum. Either of the lurkers would have been even better - before they were replaced, of course - but... eh. Things can change in Mafia. Even if I hadn't forgotten, I'd have ended up voting either Murphy or Jet by the end of day 2 anyway, thanks to Kamina's fairly sensible theory.

Also, I do not possess a perfect memory. I do forget things; sometimes I even do stupid things. Even more rarely, I will do clever things. Which leaves me feeling rather bemused, considering several of you appear to be lending my opinion undue weight. Very, very peculiar...

[Flintus10]

Thank you for responding.

That was completely tongue in cheek no need to get upset.

Pahaha! XD I'm not so daft as to be able to miss the winking smiley at the end of your post. Just because I didn't explicitly state it doesn't mean I wasn't being wry. Well, for the first line I was just fucking around; the rest I meant. Particularly concerning the possibility of lurker scum winning the game. That just ain't right.

We should've just lynched one of 'em back in day 1, saved ourselves the bother of today. -_-

Well your lack of wink made things confusing for me 

And I agree about the lurker scum

Ugh... stop asking me that when I've already answered it. I'll say why one more time. Read it.

I believe the scum to be one part lurker, one part active player. Murphy, I no longer consider scum. Between Kamina and Native, I'm still unsure - I'm leaning more heavily in Kamina's direction at the moment, but still unsure. However, you're the only active player left. I'm obviously not gonna vote myself, I've already said I don't suspect Murphy, I'm about 55-45 between Kamina and Native. That just leaves you.

Sorry for asking so often but I assumed you had a reason other than not suspecting other people. It's not easy to defend myself just based on your process of elimination

Your going to cost town the game by voting for me for no reason that I can see apart from ONE conversation with Spade on day freaking one.

I love this argument. It sounds so much like a threat from scum. Kamina's used it, too, I believe. Heh.

I guess it could sound like that but after playing for all this time I'd really rather not lose without getting a single scum.

Even if you are town and therefore aren't 100% sure of my status don't you see that as a bit of a massive risk considering there are others you suspect above me?

Christ, man; frankly speaking, this game is wearing me out. I've put more effort and time into this than I have into my god damn university work. Win or lose, I want it to end before I lose interest. A big part of what's holding me here is a simple obligation to keep playing, but even that won't last forever. You and Kamina are the best I have to go with for today - you, in particular - so I'm gonna settle for it instead of continuing to second-guess myself until I end up voting for myself or Toaster or something. If you wanna keep on arguing your cause, do it to the other two townies. Perhaps you can spin it all into a lynch on me before the end; who knows? I just hope you can do it before I simply stop caring.

You have been very active and I am grateful for that but here you are basically saying you have almost given up and don't really care about the game anymore. I suppose it is good to stick with your vote rather than doing a whole lot and getting nowhere but your case against me isn't that strong and as stated you barely care anymore which is why it is annoying that everyone will still hang of your every word >_>.

I think your trying to defend yourself in saying that you did not just wait for other people to vote and then follow them and this statement does not do that at all.

The hell do you want from me? How does not being the first vote on anyone dead make me undeniable scum, anyway? What am I supposed to be defending myself against? Where are you even trying to go with this line of questioning? Have you even thought that far ahead? Or are you just firing out questions with no real bearing on much of anything and hoping for a scumslip to pounce on?

Well I originally said I didn't really see it as a massive tell or anything but you defended yourself and I was just pointing out your defense really didn't prove anything.

So wait I forget to follow up on what was originally a meaningless question to get Spade active and that makes me scum and yet you throw out some WIFOM (I am fairly certain it is, you even went as far as saying "Make of that what you will".) saying that you will accuse me with a fair degree of certainty and prepare your lynch for day two and that's okay cause you forgot? This is all surprisingly sloppy Azure.

Eh, I was being rhetorical in a whimsical way. I had already stated what I meant, and simply added the 'make of that what you will' as a bit of flavour. I find it difficult to believe you didn't figure that out, so I must presume you're being obtuse on purpose. Besides, Jet was a smarter lynch than you for day 2 anyway, considering at the time there was still the acute possibility of him being scum. Either of the lurkers would have been even better - before they were replaced, of course - but... eh. Things can change in Mafia. Even if I hadn't forgotten, I'd have ended up voting either Murphy or Jet by the end of day 2 anyway, thanks to Kamina's fairly sensible theory.

How the hell am I supposed to know what your thinking? Saying something like that and then not following up on it? For all I know your lying now and your original plan was to wait for someone to take your bait so that you could follow up on them and since no-one did you saw Mind as another easy target instead. And don't say that it is not possible because remember I do not know what you are thinking and neither does everyone else so saying something like that is a massive WIFOM and if it isn't a scum-tell then at the very least it wasn't helpful to town. This theory would make alot of sense as you immediately jumped on two other targets when Kamina arrived and alot of suspicion was thrown on them, of course I doubt you would make such an obvious slip as you seem far better than that. But if it was a slip it was about the only one.

Also, I do not possess a perfect memory. I do forget things; sometimes I even do stupid things. Even more rarely, I will do clever things. Which leaves me feeling rather bemused, considering several of you appear to be lending my opinion undue weight. Very, very peculiar...

Yet when I do the same thing you base your entire suspicion of me around it. I agree that we are not looking at you from a good perspective as anything that may be a slip I kinow at least I am waving it off as "Ah bugger it Azure is too good to make a mistake like that."

Also I agree that it is highly unlikely that both mafia players are lurkers as this is a beginner game and I assume their IC would try to keep them active so I will go ahead and give Bayer some credit and say he'd be a good enough IC to keep one of them active. Cause if he encouraged them both to lurk then that is a massive dick-move.

Also Murphy has quietened down a bit now that nobody is focusing on him.

[KaminaSquirtle]

FUCK YOU STUPID TA!  Just as I'm finishing up, you send me THIS:

Hi, my students. This week we will do lab 6 problem 2 and problem 3, instead of 6.1. Due to my error, the deadline for this week's prelab postponed to tomorrow 6:00 pm. Sorry about that.

IT WAS DUE AT 1:00 ANYWAY THAT DOESN'T HELP I HAVE SOMETHING FROM 2:30-5:00 OFF CAMPUS.  THANKS A LOT!
It looks like I may not get a good post in today...
Sorry...

[Azure Sepulchre]

...gah. Typed up half of a big-ass reply, but the guy who's laptop I'm using needs it badly.

This ends tomorrow, though, everyone. We don't need to extend this any further. I would, however, like to see everyone's vote and a FoS for the scumbuddy of your vote. I'd also like an explanation for both. Obviously, I'll provide one too.

I've re-read the thread over the course of the post I was preparing. Suffice it to say, I'm withdrawing my vote from Flintus for now. Unvote. As for where I'm putting it? Well... you'll see later today, when I can get back on a computer.

[Flintus10]

Wow you backed right off, well you said you'd provide us with the answer why later so that's cool.

I have to rethink everything as while I don't think Azure is quite the mafia god we have made him out to be anymore I still don't think he is scum. Though that could change after looking back.

[NativeForeigner]

Which leaves me feeling rather bemused, considering several of you appear to be lending my opinion undue weight. Very, very peculiar...

I do believe that this is directed at me, at least in part. It's not that I'm giving your opinion undue support, it's more that I feel we'll get places faster if more people put the pressure on one person to get answers out of them.

Your going to cost town the game by voting for me for no reason that I can see apart from ONE conversation with Spade on day freaking one.

I love this argument. It sounds so much like a threat from scum. Kamina's used it, too, I believe. Heh.

Isn't that the same argument Jet tried to use? It got people to vote for him. Made him sound like scum by saying it. I'm hoping you're not as terrible a townie as he was by using the same defense and, given that, it could be you're trying to sound like Jet to make us hesitant to vote for you which wouldn't be an implausible move.

until I end up voting for myself or Toaster or something.

Toaster's totally scum, do it.

I'd have ended up voting either Murphy or Jet by the end of day 2 anyway, thanks to Kamina's fairly sensible theory.

To refresh my memory, what wrote Murphy out of the picture on this day? I haven't seen much activity from him, so he either has nothing to contribute or is trying to lie low to avoid attention that could potentially threaten him should he be scum.

I suppose it is good to stick with your vote rather than doing a whole lot and getting nowhere but your case against me isn't that strong and as stated you barely care anymore which is why it is annoying that everyone will still hang of your every word >_>.

To be fair, it's one of the stronger cases out there right now, but it could be that Azure is just very clever scum using his scumhunting abilities to mislead townies. But I don't think that's very likely at this point.

Personally, I haven't seen enough evidence placed against you, Flintus, to actually vote for you.

Eh, I was being rhetorical in a whimsical way. I had already stated what I meant, and simply added the 'make of that what you will' as a bit of flavour. I find it difficult to believe you didn't figure that out, so I must presume you're being obtuse on purpose. Besides, Jet was a smarter lynch than you for day 2 anyway, considering at the time there was still the acute possibility of him being scum. Either of the lurkers would have been even better - before they were replaced, of course - but... eh. Things can change in Mafia. Even if I hadn't forgotten, I'd have ended up voting either Murphy or Jet by the end of day 2 anyway, thanks to Kamina's fairly sensible theory.

I do not know what you are thinking and neither does everyone else so saying something like that is a massive WIFOM and if it isn't a scum-tell then at the very least it wasn't helpful to town. This theory would make alot of sense as you immediately jumped on two other targets when Kamina arrived and alot of suspicion was thrown on them, of course I doubt you would make such an obvious slip as you seem far better than that. But if it was a slip it was about the only one.

Don't let a slip go unpunished at this point of the game. You might be onto something.

Unvote

I'm awaiting this explanation of yours, Azure.