Flintus:
Well, he was the 4th vote on Jet, but that's all really have on him at this point. I can't really blame him for bandwagoning Jet. I mean it, it was JET, man.
My problem with Flintus is two-fold: he fits into my theory of 'one active scum, one lurker scum' since I don't really consider Murphy scum (at the time of writing - I still haven't caught up on the past few pages properly, just skimmed most of it) and, if he were townie, then he comes across as unusually cautious to the idea of proper scumhunting - of particular note being a conversation he had a while ago with Spade, where he pressed him briefly, obtained a pithy reply in turn and then promptly dropped the line of questioning. I also find it interesting that the most information we've really obtained on him all game has only been given to us now, when Kamina placed a FoS on him. Remarkable.
If anyone wants a link to the Spade/Flintus convo I'm referring to, I'm afraid it will have to wait until tomorrow - assuming anyone is willing to grant this game one final
extension through the weekend, so we might work out whom could be our final lynch.
Native:
Same thing with bandwagoning Jet. Same reason it doesn't really matter. I might be blind, but I don't see much at this point. We'll see.
I would not FoS anyone on the basis on placing their vote on Jet, to please stop presuming it's my only reason. Even if ragnarok did cite IRL reasons for his absence, there is every possibility that he outright lied to us to maintain his 'lurker' position... although, personally, I found Spade to be the more obvious lurker of the two, hence my suspicion of you Kamina.
Looking at Azure's points in your defense, and rereading my theory, you do seem much less scummy to me at this point. Seeing as you seem to agree with Azure, who would you suggest as my scumbuddy? Is it, as your list suggests, Native? What exactly makes him look suspicious at this point?
...oh my. Really, now? No one else has picked up on this?
One person offers the idea that Murphy could be town, and suddenly you change your entire perspective? From a townie, I would've bought a bit of a struggle, considering how certain you were on day 2 and at the start of day 3 that Murphy was scum. But to so suddenly change your mind? I sure as hell ain't buying whatever it is you're selling, son.
Azure:
Well, you could be scum trying to attack me, and thus win the game, but that is seriously weak argument at this point. You are almost assuredly town. And your argument against is seriously good. Unfortunately, it's wrong. If you lynch me, then it's game over. But I won't count on that to convince you of anything, like Jet did. Well, that was shorter than expected. Time for my response to your post, Azure.
Congrats; you
don't intend to make the same mistake as the biggest moron to ever stumble into a forum, despite having used such lazy WIFOM anyway. You
are aware of how weak such an argument is, and yet have no second thoughts in using it.
Have a cookie.
Fair point. But I'm confused as to how it kept getting pointed out to me. Could you point me to exactly where it was repeated? I only saw it the once.
This one was my mistake. There were only two posts where this was brought up during day 2 (not including my own post referencing it), but they were both located smack between a meaty argument to which I was constantly drawing reference and working from. Ergo, I imagined there were more posts than there actually were because I read through them so often. However, since you also very clearly took note Kamina - and have not only attempted to intigrate it into your argument but have dropped it just as quickly - I cannot help but suspect you. As a matter of fact, I think I'd call you my #1 scum lynch at the moment. However, I still haven't read through the whole thread properly and things may have changed, so I'm going to keep reading for the time being and catch up before I can make a truly informed decision.
Oh, I think I found it. It was me mentioning 'maybe they lynched him because ...', right? It does look like distancing. I wasn't intending to 'WIFOM the hell out of it', I was merely listing off all the possibilities that popped into my head. The more we have to think on, the better. We can dismiss those if you so wish, and come up with a new theory, which I think you did quite well.
Listing theories is pointless at this stage of the game. At day 2, such an idea would have merit, but there's only
five people here. To get bogged down in multiple theories would ruin us. We should press one another, one at a time, and see what we find instead. A far more reliable method with a smaller group, instead of discussing everything all at once.
I'm glad we ended up lynching Jet instead. He would have screwed us over in LYLO.
'We'? Hah. XD If I recall corretly, we two were the only ones who didn't. I've been wondering since day 3 why you, as scum, would want Murphy dead instead of Jet. That just made it crystal clear not only to me, but likely to everyone else as well.
Since you're suggesting I'm scum, are you saying I'm a short-sighted moron? Is that compatible with you saying what I'm doing is exactly what you would do? Because then you would be calling yourself a short-sighted moron.
Way to take my words out of context. I was saying if
Murphy did it, it would have been short-sighted, considering the kind of predicament he could have been in in day 2. If, on the other hand, you did it, things would become much clearer. For instance, as I mentioned earlier, Mindmaker was a fairly difficult player to push into a lynch; he analyzed things from every angle available - up to and including considering the lynchers themselves scum - before he made his ultimate decision.Since Jet wasn't scum, you could bet your ass he'd be all over you today were he alive. On the other hand, I appeared quite firmly on your side, and you only really needed one townie on your side going into day 3... have I spelt things out clearly enough, dear townsfolk?
I'm not trying to force anything anywhere. See above on dropping my attack on Murphy. I'm willing to work together with everyone else to find the scum. Though I'm not sure if there's anything I can do to redeem myself in your eyes, Azure. Is there? And why would posting it first be before you could ''get your bearings"? You can think all you like. It's not like the day ends anytime soon.
Good metaphor though.
At this stage? No, not really. Particularly not after all the budding yesterday. I hadn't even realized it, having been so damn sure Murphy and Jet were our ultimate kills. However, now that I read over it again... well, you sure as hell didn't behave like that back in day 1, before scum had killed you in the night.
Hmm... I think this is all I can squeeze in for the time being, folks. I'll catch up fully tomorrow, if we get an extension. If not... well, we'll have to lynch someone or die, so I'll make mine
Kamina. I would really rather not lynch him without knowing all the facts, though, so I implore you all - please go for an extension.
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