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[NativeForeigner]

Alright, wait, wait, wait. Things are getting a little sloppy here. Kamina, you had a lot of scumtells in your post.

MAYBE YOU'D LIKE A FUCKING MEDAL, JET?!  A MEDAL FOR WORST FUCKING TOWN PLAY EVER!  YOU JUST PUT US IN FUCKING LYLO, THANKS A BUNCH, PAL!

While definitely true, it also seems like you're trying to make an exaggerated statement on how "pissed" you are about this, trying to come off as town. But you overdid it, making you seem scummy.

Then you immediately went to trying to bring others into the spotlight of suspicion in what could be taken as an attempt to keep yourself out of it. You even went so far as to give the FOS to Murphy with no real evidence other than Jet flipping town and Murphy's accusations against Azure. It was a hasty, sloppy move.

And I wonder why scum chose to nk Mind.  I would have thought they would go for Azure.  Or me, but maybe they would want to keep me alive to blame for this FUCKING HORRIBLE situation, as my theory was at least partially responsible for it.  Or they could have nked Flintus, as I haven't seen anything much suspicious from him yet.  May be the theory he said he had in case Jet flips town, which scum would have known would happen.
Now that I think about it, Azure being left alive is consistent with Murphy trying to dirty his rep.  Why dirty someone up if you're just going to nk him?

Here you're commenting on the nk, trying to distance yourself from the action of the nk and make yourself seem town. But it's more of a scumtell the way you went about it, especially when you mentioned yourself.

You're looking pretty scummy, Kamina.

Azure:

You're not out of the picture, despite Kamina's post. It could be that Kamina is just town (albeit sloppy town) and you're using his telltale post as cover for your own scumminess. But if that were the case, you're going about it in a much better way. You're giving very few, if any scumtells other than your haste is FOSing Kamina. And even that was with reason. But it could be that both you and Kamina are scum and, seeing your scumbuddy fuck up in such a way, you came to the decision to bus him, to take the suspicion away from yourself at the cost of your scumbuddy. Unfortunately, this is just speculation at the moment.

Murphy:

I would like to hear your argument against me once you have time.

On Flintus:

I haven't seen Flintus be very active at all. It could be that he's trying to avoid grabbing attention because he's scum. Or he could be town that doesn't have much to say.

Which makes Native's vote look like a pre-emptive move to stop this from happening, although whether this is due to him honestly thinking Jet was scum or because he'd been advised to do so by another player I don't know, due to his apparent inexperience and lack of time in the game.

I honestly thought Jet was scum. (But really, what else do you expect me to say). He had the best argument against him (or perhaps the lack of argument for him). The only other candidate for lynching was Murphy, and the argument put against him wasn't at all convincing to me. Just because he might have more skill in Mafia than he's letting on doesn't mean he's scum. But it also doesn't mean he's town. Jet, simply with how useless he seemed, was the safest bet for a vote, even if it generated some suspicion on my part.


What we need to do now is take a step back and look at things. We're in LYLO now, we can't afford to be hasty with our lynching this time. Some thought and consideration needs to be put into it so we don't lose.

[KaminaSquirtle]

Alright, wait, wait, wait. Things are getting a little sloppy here. Kamina, you had a lot of scumtells in your post.

MAYBE YOU'D LIKE A FUCKING MEDAL, JET?!  A MEDAL FOR WORST FUCKING TOWN PLAY EVER!  YOU JUST PUT US IN FUCKING LYLO, THANKS A BUNCH, PAL!

While definitely true, it also seems like you're trying to make an exaggerated statement on how "pissed" you are about this, trying to come off as town. But you overdid it, making you seem scummy.

Then you immediately went to trying to bring others into the spotlight of suspicion in what could be taken as an attempt to keep yourself out of it. You even went so far as to give the FOS to Murphy with no real evidence other than Jet flipping town and Murphy's accusations against Azure. It was a hasty, sloppy move.

Oh no, I'm exaggerating my anger.  I MUST BE SCUM!!!!!

And I FOSed someone!  Without a huge amount of evidence!  No way I was indicating I was suspicious of them!  I don't even need that much evidence to vote someone.  Voting someone is the best way to get a good answer out of them.  I didn't feel I had enough for that, so I FoSed him.  Is that so hard to understand?

Is that all the evidence you have?  You look like you're mostly parroting Azure to me.
Try harder, buddy.

Azure:

You're not out of the picture, despite Kamina's post. It could be that Kamina is just town (albeit sloppy town) and you're using his telltale post as cover for your own scumminess. But if that were the case, you're going about it in a much better way. You're giving very few, if any scumtells other than your haste is FOSing Kamina. And even that was with reason. But it could be that both you and Kamina are scum and, seeing your scumbuddy fuck up in such a way, you came to the decision to bus him, to take the suspicion away from yourself at the cost of your scumbuddy. Unfortunately, this is just speculation at the moment.

Jegus, where did you get the idea that a FoS is such a huge deal?  It's just to show you find someone a bit suspicious, but not enough for a vote.  It's not a huge deal.

What we need to do now is take a step back and look at things. We're in LYLO now, we can't afford to be hasty with our lynching this time. Some thought and consideration needs to be put into it so we don't lose.

Agreed.  We CANNOT mess this one up.  We do, and game over.  We'll probably need a few extensions.  We'll see.

[Flintus10]

Sorry about the lateness but I just finished my last uni assignments.

...Well Kamina's epic returns epicness has been somewhat diminished and every person I've been assured was scum has wound up town  although Jet and Otto did not help anyone with their actions but what's done is done.

Kamina you buddied the crap out of Azure during the second day and now that he has turned his suspicion on you your tone has changed quite considerably though that isn't particularly suspicious just something I have noted.

Azure: I also wouldn't mind hearing why exactly you find me suspicious.

Just some food for thought does anyone else think the fact that Azure was role-blocked on night one a little too convinient?

I am really quite stuck right now but I think that it is still quite suspicious that Murphy voted with Jet as soon as we pegged them as a scum team. I mean while it originally looked like Bussing perhaps Murphy knew that voting for Jet would both save his skin and take out another townie.

[Murphy]

I can understand your suspicion of me, but why Native?  I haven't seen you give anything against him.  Is this because of Azure thinking that Native voting Jet could be a preemptive move to stop Jet from tying the game?  But wait.  Wouldn't that make him town?  He would prevent the mylo situation.  But how could he have been advised by someone if he's not scum?  I've probably overlooked something here.

Looking at Azure's points in your defense, and rereading my theory, you do seem much less scummy to me at this point.  Seeing as you seem to agree with Azure, who would you suggest as my scumbuddy?  Is it, as your list suggests, Native?  What exactly makes him look suspicious at this point?

I don't really suspect you that much. Nor him.
See, my previous list was Jet - Azure - Kamina - Ragnarok.
I only was sure about Jet. He turned out town, so I'm writing him off the list.
Azure - yeah, he had an argument with Mindmaker and then Mindmaker got NKd, but that's WIFOM. And whatever scenario involving scum-Azure I could have thought, I couldn't get him to slip. So I move him to the bottom of the list.
And the list becomes Kamina - Native - Azure.
So please note that my suspicion against you and Native has not risen, I have merely dropped other people from the list.

I'll try summing up what I think about you two:
I did have suspicions on Spade. He seemed to play like "pop out once or twice, say something and go back into shadow". You play his role now.
I'm certain that while you were dead, you were actually believing me to be scum. But after you rejoined, you might've gotten a scum role and voila - the material you're gathered would be ideal to use as a means to lynch a townie. But you didn't hesitate to post the prepared wall-of-text really fast after rejoining, apparently without giving it a second thought, so I think you got what you expected - a town role. That's why I put you only third in my initial list.

I put Ragnarok fourth in that list - above Flintus - because I didn't spot any tells from Flintus at all and can't say much about him, while I had suspicion on Ragnarok early in the game (because of his lurking). I probably should remove Native from the list because Ragnarok was replaced due to inactivity. We can safely assume he was lurky not because of his role, but because, as he put it, "stuff happened".

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

NativeForeigner: {0}
Flintus10: {0}
KaminaSquirtle: {0}
Azure Sepulchre: {0}
Murphy: {0}

Not Voting: NativeForeigner, Flintus10, KaminaSquirtle, Azure Sepulchre, Murphy

Day 3 ends Wednesday, 11/10 at 11 PM EST

[Azure Sepulchre]

...NEVER AGAIN!

I am never again building a massive post. Sorry I've made you all wait, but... fuck, I'm not doing that again. Built up over my spare time for the past few days,and now... all gone, because my laptop charger is on the fritz. -___-

Extension, please. I won't be trying again until I've stopped being pissed off, but I'll try again later today if I have any spare time.

[KaminaSquirtle]

I know that post was probably one huge attack on me, but I can't help but sympathize.  I've lost much smaller posts than yours probably was, and I've always hated having to rewrite them.
Extension, please.  It's already Tuesday morning(at least where I live), and we've had nowhere near enough time to make an informed decision in LYLO.
And no, I'm not being silent without a reason.  I'm
A) Busy, and
B) Writing up a huge wall of text in wordpad.  This could take another day at least.

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

NativeForeigner: {0}
Flintus10: {0}
KaminaSquirtle: {0}
Azure Sepulchre: {0}
Murphy: {0}

Not Voting: NativeForeigner, Flintus10, KaminaSquirtle, Azure Sepulchre, Murphy

Two extension requests heard.  Day 3 has been extended until Thursday, 11/11 at 11 PM EST

[SirBayer]

...NEVER AGAIN!

I am never again building a massive post. Sorry I've made you all wait, but... fuck, I'm not doing that again. Built up over my spare time for the past few days,and now... all gone, because my laptop charger is on the fritz. -___-

Extension, please. I won't be trying again until I've stopped being pissed off, but I'll try again later today if I have any spare time.

When writing long posts, save them to a text file instead of just leaving them open in the browser. Much more secure. You could use Google Docs, or just whatever word processor you have.

I always do it that way, personally.

Just a thought.

[KaminaSquirtle]

Two things, both because of paranormal:
a) I haven't been able to post due to busy from the game and homework.
b) I've scrapped the wall of text.  I've learned they're not a good idea.  Once a have some free time I'll reanalyze the situation.

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

NativeForeigner: {0}
Flintus10: {0}
KaminaSquirtle: {0}
Azure Sepulchre: {0}
Murphy: {0}

Not Voting: NativeForeigner, Flintus10, KaminaSquirtle, Azure Sepulchre, Murphy

Day 3 will end Thursday, 11/11 at 11 PM EST

NativeForeigner has been prodded for not posting for over 48 hours.  Flintus and Murphy are next if they do not post soon.

[Zathras]

NativeForeigner has been prodded for not posting for over 48 hours.  Flintus and Murphy are next if they do not post soon.

GAAAaahhhhhh!!! AGAIN?!

Dammit, you newbies take notice: If there's a lesson you can learn from this game, it's this: LURKING KILLS GAMES. DON'T FUCKING LURK OR FLAKE!

Goddammit! If you sign up to play a game, it's minimal courtesy to actually play it!

This has been one of the best BMs I've seen in ages. You guys are interested, motivated, incisive, insightful, alert and agile, all you need is critical mass of players to keep going. If NativeWhatever or somesuch is not up to it, someone else will have to fill the spot, but all y'all other guys: DON'T DO THIS: It's the worst label in a mafia group to be labeled as a flaker.


I've been reading this game since before the first day, and you guys have been doing great. Much better than the BMs I played. I know you can pull it off, Don't be discouraged by the gutless worms in your midst that didn't have the spine to stand by the game. Don't despair. You can win this.

[NativeForeigner]

From my understanding, an FoS is just short of a vote. By FoSing someone, it's only a short step to voting for them. If we vote someone with no evidence at this point of the game, we're gonna lose. It's as simple as that, I'm just saying we need to be more careful and your aggression is making you suspicious.

This has been one of the best BMs I've seen in ages. You guys are interested, motivated, incisive, insightful, alert and agile, all you need is critical mass of players to keep going. If NativeWhatever or somesuch is not up to it, someone else will have to fill the spot, but all y'all other guys: DON'T DO THIS: It's the worst label in a mafia group to be labeled as a flaker

Dude, chill out. I've had work all day monday and school today. (Excluding Sunday when I was relaxing all day). I actually have a life offline that tends to take priority occasionally.

[Flintus10]

Flintus, I humbly ask you to support me against Jetsquirrel. I doubt that you will get any support to your current vote, and everyone (even those accusing me) seems to agree that Jetsquirrel is a mafia. I realize that with Jet flipping mafia, I'll still be under heavy suspicion. But at least we won't have a LyLo on the third day..

You know I didn't pay much attention to this post but in hinsight when you made it I was the first person to outright say I wasn't that suspicious of you. So to see you ask me help you vote for someone we now know was a townie in order to save your own skin. (And it was definetely possible that you knew Jet would be lynched over you as you yourself said 'Everyone suspected him') The fact that you actually outright asked me to "Support You" seems like a really desperate move and I think this action seemed a little opportunist for a town player to make. FOS MURPHY


Also is there a way to know whether or not you have been roleblocked?

[Zathras]

This has been one of the best BMs I've seen in ages. You guys are interested, motivated, incisive, insightful, alert and agile, all you need is critical mass of players to keep going. If NativeWhatever or somesuch is not up to it, someone else will have to fill the spot, but all y'all other guys: DON'T DO THIS: It's the worst label in a mafia group to be labeled as a flaker

Dude, chill out. I've had work all day monday and school today. (Excluding Sunday when I was relaxing all day). I actually have a life offline that tends to take priority occasionally.

No, Fuck you. We all have lives, things to do and whatnot. It's been forty eight fucking hours. There must have been a few minutes in between to remember a commitment you posted to a game that is stalled without your participation. It's not just skipping watching a movie -- after a day or so, you become the stumbling block that prevents this train from advancing; no one can make an informed decision on their vote without hearing something from everyone else. You signed up for this of your own free will, so do us the courtesy of giving us your attention for a few minutes every day or two.

Exceptions are explicitly made for weekends, extensions are available on request, and you can let the Mod know if you'll be away, but if you just disappear, it's not just your game you're ruining, it's everyone else's. Have a modicum of decency and at least post "I'm not here, will be back Wednesday" or something.

Flintus, Murphy, and EVERYONE ELSE, this goes for you too: PLAY THE FUCKING GAME YOU SAID YOU'D PLAY!

Mafia, especially in forum form, lives or dies based on its participant's willingness to move it forward. If you lurk, it dies, not just for you, but for the other folks as well. Don't be a douche.