While I was dead, every time Azure posted I cheered a little.
Why so intent on lynching one of our best scumhunters, hmmmmm?
Aww.
Thanks, bro. <3
Also: Azure, you do realize this makes you a prime target for scum, right? And makes you look a scummier? Surely you do. What exactly do you expect to gain from claiming your role? I'm curious as to your reasoning.
Several reasons. For one, there was nothing else to do with it but make a claim with it.
I couldn't save people because of the scum roleblocker who most likely targetted me because I acted very confident and aggressive during day 1, (like a cop would, in hindsight) and because I openly mentioned at the start of day 2 that a cop with a guilty would be pretty handy, which sounded like something a cop would say if he'd been roleblocked and was pissy about it (in hindsight). So... yeah; like I said, it was an impotent role that couldn't work its intended function any longer. The only thing left for it was to out it - along with what I'd tried to do, my motivations, what had happened as a result and my future plans for the role. It's only information now, but any and all information is useful to town.
Secondly, to gauge reactions.
Not really for myself - I'm already quite set on a Murphy/Jet lynch for now - but for the town in general. For instance; Murphy's first move upon hearing it was to try foisting suspicion on me for making the claim, whereas it appears to have been enough to convince Mind to settle on a Jet lynch instead of me, at least for the time being. Jet simply spazzed out, but that's all he ever really does. Native seems also to suspect me for it, but sayin' as I doubt he's read up on the game yet, I'm not gonna slam him for it. He also seems kind of new and for some reason thinks I'm making a cop claim.
Flintus hasn't made his opinion clear yet, but he likely will soon enough. More information for the town, right there. All it took was a claim.
Thirdly... well, it would be inconvienent if the scum knew about this one, so I'm gonna keep it a secret. I rather hope it works, though; as far as I can see, this is well in the town's best interest in case things go south with the lynch.
It's not like I wanted to do that.
I'd have let it go a long time ago, if people would have bothered to spend a single post contemplating on what went wrong.
It just looks like everything I posted on day 1, was a total waste of time and effort this way.
Think about how I felt; I was so damn sure Otto was scum, but everything I thought I had on him was for nothing. I'd made myself look like a scummy tard to everyone, and was left alive to encourage it. I had nothing but a heavy scumtell hanging over my head from the start of day 2. But think about it; if I'd kept referring back to how much I'd fucked up day 1, how would that have helped matters day 2? I simply would have looked vulnerable, weak, and self-pitying - something scum or suspicious town could've easily twisted into a lynch on me. Although I have no problems with getting killed, I
do have a problem with convincing the town to waste a lynch on me. I wanted to find the scum today, not keep telling myself I was a moron over and over.
We probably both do that.
However I'm not here to be nice and to go a long way round, just to avoid annoying someone.
Being reserved, quiet and minding ones own business, won't save anyone.
You have to be in ones face, if you wan't to get results.
That's one thing Ottofar was right about.
Oh, no no no; I wasn't talking about your rudeness. On the contrary, I thought you were a fairly fun foil. I was talking about how you were tunnelling me over my fuck up with Otto, trying to tell me over and over that he looked like town but with no evidence that could convince me or anyone else.
Could you elaborate that?
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say.
Hrm. Phrased that badly.
I was referring to the fact that you decided to pressure Jet only a little and continued to focus on me, even while he was claiming he knew Otto was town and having some kind of existential fit every time Elegy's name was dropped.
Do you seriously believe Jet, as a normal townie, also knew Otto was town, Mindmaker?
Not even for a second.
However, I'll get around to that later.
Oh. Uhh... ignore the first part of my previous point, then.
No, just think about it first, before you start pointing with fingers.
I had. I'd gone through the game in a separate tab, checking all the posts Kamina declared were scumtells on Murphy's part. Jet, I already figured was scum.
Gee, thanks.
So now I'm supposed to close my eyes and pretend I'm not seeing any inconsistencies, just because you're doing me a favor in lowering me in your list of suspects?
...huh? The fuck you talking about? You think I'm trying to do you a
favour? Sorry to burst your bubble, mate, but it ain't all about you.
Also, what inconsistencies? The only one you've pointed out was me talking Kamina's side after apparently convincing you I only used any scumtells I found. I've addressed that. What more do ya got?
Huh.
To be honest I haven't been really taking roles into account in all my theories.
Is it even allowed to reveal your role (or fake it)?
Let's assume it is.
Yeah, I can claim a role, but if I posted the PM Toaster sent me - no matter what it contained - I'd be modkilled for cheating. Frankly speaking, we can all claim whatever the hell we want; so long as we don't use any proof that's been issued in a PM, it's all good.
IRL and online are two complete different things.
This doesn't have to mean anything.
Perhaps. I have no idea; never played Mafia with the cards.
Azure, revealing your "role", imo, is a stupid move. You could go with the "they thought I was a cop and would just RB me again" argument for your actions, and that's plausible enough. But the primary thing causing my suspicion is the fact that you went from hinting that you were a cop to outright claiming that you're a doctor. It's like you want to assure everyone that you're a townie and should be kept safe, but you've already led us wrong about your role once and the defense of being RBed continuously doesn't seem like a strong defense against that in my opinion, it actually seems kind of scummy.
...huh? I wasn't hinting I was a cop. =/ I said the scum probably thought I was a cop because I not only appeared to be trying to dominate the town night 1, but I also (very stupidly) said a cop with a guilty would be useful (which, if WIFOM'd up, could have convinced scum I was cop - especially since they'd roleblocked me in the night and would be on the lookout for my reaction) in my first night 2 post.
After I realized this, I knew the role was dead, so I figured I'd squeeze what use out of it as I could instead of continuing to pretend being vanilla town.
There's no real way to know whether or not you were RBed, so in my opinion, you're probably scum and trying to hide that by claiming you were RBed.
Think about it this way, then; if I hadn't claimed doc, what would you have otherwise called me out on? If you had nothing else to bring to the table, then what would be the point in me trying to claim doc if it would only make you suspect me? I may have made some stupid mistakes this game, but it doesn't mean I'm
Jet.
Forgot to respond to this part. Why did you think asking for a 'cop with a guilty' implied you were a cop, Azure? I'm genuinely curious. When I was dead, the vibe I was getting was another trap, to get scum to claim they were cop. But I guess now that wasn't the case. Ah well, no one took the bait anyway.
At the time, I'd lost my nerve and gotten depressed over lynching Otto. I was also annoyed that the maf had roleblocked me on the first night, so I acted like impudent child and complained about it, without giving any specifics in the post. However, assuming the roleblocker was paying attention, (which he must have been doing - otherwise there was no point in choosing me) I've theorized he'd presumed I had reacted to his block by trying to WIFOM myself away from it and, as a result, could hazard a guess at me being the cop but could be almost certain I was a power role. Or, at least, that's how I'd look at it, we're it someone else in my shoes.
I gotta stop doing long-ass posts. -_- It's, like, half 1 in the morning and I have a class at 9 that I can't miss.
What can I say. I was bored.
Heh. XD I can't be the only person who finds the text under his avi ironic. I just can't be.
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