Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[SirBayer]

Hey, I didn't know Native was playing Mafia.

Good luck to yah.

I'm scum IC, in case you didn't know, Native. I can totally be posting in this thread.

[KaminaSquirtle]

Ok, Mind cut this shit out, if you're town, all you're doing is making yourself look scummy.  Can you honestly say you think Azure is working in the interests of the scum?  Ask yourself that.  Because it looks to me you're just basing your arguments off disagreements, not actual scumhunting.  Just stop this spat, you're just helping scum.  Of course this is assuming you're town.  If you're scum, it should be obvious what you're doing.  But honestly I don't think you're scum at this point.  I can't find a scumteam for you that works nearly as well as Murphy/Jet.  So STOP IT with this stupid (probably) town-town raegfest.

lolstupid

What.  Just.... what.  You haven't even TRIED to defend yourself, and you're accusing someone suspected as your scumbuddy?  Because honestly you're the worst scum I've seen.  Ever.

Big post.

I already said, he's being so stupid that he could blow your cover at any point.  And you call that a good case?  What about Azure being the only thing that kept you guys on topic during my absence?  Why wouldn't scum just let you guys be stupid together?  While I was dead, every time Azure posted I cheered a little.  If Azure is scum, he's ridiculously good at it.  Not good enough

You listed jet as #1, which I can agree with, that is of you town.  But you're just going with your last plan, as you would immediately be called out as scum if you changed it.  I don't see how Azure is anywhere near #2, for reasons mentioned above.  Why so intent on lynching one of our best scumhunters, hmmmmm?  Of course you want me hanging, but don't want to be too obvious about it, so you put me under your other two targets.  And nothing from Mindmaker?  While I don't think he's scum, he would be my next choice after you and Jet.

While you may have thought you needed 5 votes, that wouldn't have stopped you from trying to lynch otto anyway.

And now the scum plays confused townie, so he has an excuse to act dumb and, well, confused.  That way he can contribute nothing to town.

Do the scum have their own chat?
I was thinking they could only communicate during the night.

Great way to show you're stupid, it should be obvious that you're just trying to play dumb now.  Guess you're desperate.

The way it looks now, is that you tried to rally support against me and as I didn't work out as you expected, you started looking for an easier target.
First elaborate, then vote.

Or maybe he saw a very convincing theory, and decided to throw his weight behind it?   You can't accept he found my theory a good one?  Would you care to explain any issues you have with it?

It's not like I've ever been in such a heated argument.
What games I had played were much calmer. Also there was much more randomness and less deduction.

I'm the Doc.

Oh, I completely forgot that there could be power roles.
Wiki says doc claim is mafia.

Hey guys, great idea!  Let's accuse more people other than me of being scum!  That'll definitely make me look like town.
Also: Azure, you do realize this makes you a prime target for scum, right?  And makes you look a scummier?  Surely you do.  What exactly do you expect to gain from claiming your role?  I'm curious as to your reasoning.

[KaminaSquirtle]

And where's NativeForeigner, anyway?  I want to hear what a new player with a has to say on my theory.  Maybe he can point out something obvious I missed.
I just hope he doesn't turn out as horrible as Jet.....

[Mindmaker]

Way to beat a dead penguin, Mindmaker.

But seriously, Mindmaker, beating a dead horse won't help town. 

It's not like I wanted to do that.
I'd have let it go a long time ago, if people would have bothered to spend a single post contemplating on what went wrong.
It just looks like everything I posted on day 1, was a total waste of time and effort this way.

As for why I'm butting heads with Mindmaker? Most likely because he plays like an ass.

We probably both do that.
However I'm not here to be nice and to go a long way round, just to avoid annoying someone.
Being reserved, quiet and minding ones own business, won't save anyone.
You have to be in ones face, if you wan't to get results.
That's one thing Ottofar was right about.

[...]even when his argument gets slapped in the face by stupidscum.

Could you elaborate that?
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say.

Do you seriously believe Jet, as a normal townie, also knew Otto was town, Mindmaker?

Not even for a second.
However, I'll get around to that later.

I should ignore every scumtell ever unless I think of it first?

No, just think about it first, before you start pointing with fingers.

Well, I've thought about it, and I'm going with Kamina's argument because it makes more sense than you being scum. What the hell else do you want?

Gee, thanks.
So now I'm supposed to close my eyes and pretend I'm not seeing any inconsistencies, just because you're doing me a favor, in lowering me in your list of suspects?

What I want?
No more unnecessary town deaths.

I'm the Doc. I tried to save Mindmaker night 1 as I figured, if the scum didn't NK me, they'd target my biggest detractor to make me look like an idiot who panics under pressure and kills scary townies. Turns out I'd tried to save the wrong person and I was roleblocked by the scum anyway. This led crecedence (at least to me) to my theory that Mind was scum, as I figured he disliked me enough that - if he couldn't kill me so I could take the heat - he'd at least want a roleblock on me for good measure.

I don't usually play a very aggressive game; I prefer being a lot more quiet and careful than this, being used to playing as the scum more than anything else, but I wanted to hide the Doc is plain sight by being a good deal meaner than I usually am. On the other hand, I didn't realize this might encourage scum to think I was the cop trying to take control of the group, which would explain the roleblock if Mind isn't scum. Since I stupidly said the moment day 2 began that a 'cop with a guilty would be handy right about now', the roleblock would probably be staying on me regardless, so I may as well out.

I was also planning to try to convince scum before night 2 to NK one of the two heavy lurkers as a favour to the game, then I would try to save one of them. If no one died, yay! I have a guaranteed townie. If not, then they weren't much use anyway. If they killed anyone else or if I was roleblocked, then I probably wouldn't have been able to predict it no matter what or it would be irrelevant if I did. Obviously, this all changed when Kamina appeared with his ultra-super-special-awesome scum sheet on Murphy/Jet.

Huh.
To be honest I haven't been really taking roles into account in all my theories.

Is it even allowed to reveal your role (or fake it)?
Let's assume it is.

If everything you wrote here is true, then kudos to you.
You really are thinking with portals.

Still, there's the possibility of it being fake, even though I don't believe that.
You would need to be desperate, to make this up and you don't seem to be the type, which gets desperate over such things.

I doubt this'll be enough for Mind anyway, or for anyone else really, so I'll go through Kamina's sheet on a point-by-point basis (although I don't see the purpose, really) and see if I can find a few little scumnuggets of my own.

Even though it might seem unnecessary, I put a high value on it, so I'd appreciate it.

I'll play.
Know mafia well, but never played online. Also never played it in English =)
Consider me a beginner.

At the very least he's no complete beginner. He can probably still get off with being new to online games, but assuming the game transfers smoothly from forum to IRL play, such a claim should come under scrutiny.

IRL and online are two complete different things.
This doesn't have to mean anything.

Unvote.
You're off the hook for now.

There may be truth to the Jet/Murphy constellation, however there's a lot more to Jet.
So what, if Murphy is the smarter mafia player? You already stated that it does little difference in which order we lynch them, if they are both mafia.

My vote goes to Jet, as I'm not completely convinced on the Murphy part of the story.

I'd like to not that I didn't read any of the 3 messages, which got posted, while I was writing this.

[Jetsquirrel]

What.  Just.... what.  You haven't even TRIED to defend yourself, and you're accusing someone suspected as your scumbuddy?  Because honestly you're the worst scum I've seen.  Ever.

could you direct it to a quote? because i never evr have written lolstupid in this thread yet. expect now ofcourse.
wanna bet that i'm town?

My vote goes to Jet, as I'm not completely convinced on the Murphy part of the story.

Again do you wanna bet on me that i'm scum? Because if you vote me now then the next day scum will be very very close to winning, ofcourse this may not happen if a doctor intervenes.

[KaminaSquirtle]

It's not like I wanted to do that.
I'd have let it go a long time ago, if people would have bothered to spend a single post contemplating on what went wrong.
It just looks like everything I posted on day 1, was a total waste of time and effort this way.

Fine, you want to know where we went wrong?  For one, Ottofar was acting scummy as hell.  For two, we didn't catch any of the Murphy/JetElegy stuff.  That's what I think.  Details are in my theory.

[KaminaSquirtle]

What.  Just.... what.  You haven't even TRIED to defend yourself, and you're accusing someone suspected as your scumbuddy?  Because honestly you're the worst scum I've seen.  Ever.

could you direct it to a quote? because i never evr have written lolstupid in this thread yet. expect now ofcourse.
wanna bet that i'm town?

I'm saying everthing you said in that post was lolstupid.  And you're scum.  Did you even read my theory?

My vote goes to Jet, as I'm not completely convinced on the Murphy part of the story.

Again do you wanna bet on me that i'm scum? Because if you vote me now then the next day scum will be very very close to winning, ofcourse this may not happen if a doctor intervenes.

Town, then scum?  Scummy as hell, so many contradictions.  And if Azure is doc, he's pretty much guaranteed roleblocked/NKed.  Why would he save you, anyway?
And you expect that argument to work?  If you're town maybe you should at least try to convince us you're not scum instead of resorting to arguments that depend on you being town.  Suggest an alternative, and present convincing evidence to show your alternative theory is correct.

[Jetsquirrel]

but whatever i seemed to post as defense got either tossed aside or immideatly called scummy by scum, so now i do present you a choice.
You tell everyone to lynch me and i flip town (100% by that)
You go find some real scum

[KaminaSquirtle]

but whatever i seemed to post as defense got either tossed aside or immideatly called scummy by scum, so now i do present you a choice.
You tell everyone to lynch me and i flip town (100% by that)
You go find some real scum

Great defense.  Give yourself a pat on the back.
Maybe you should give some non-BS argument, and then people will listen to you.

[Mindmaker]

Again do you wanna bet on me that i'm scum? Because if you vote me now then the next day scum will be very very close to winning, ofcourse this may not happen if a doctor intervenes.

You didn't even try to explain why you are contradicting yourself so badly.
And as I said, I'm trying to figure out the game to myself.
Inconsistency seems like a pretty good scumtell for me.

Should you flip town, there won't be anyone who can be blamed for that, except yourself.

That possibility, however, wouldn't leave me perplexed.
Quite on the contary.
It would fuel another theory, I'm currently working on.

[KaminaSquirtle]

You go find some real scum

And who would you suggest those scum are?  Reasons?  (Please not more of the same BS)

[Mindmaker]

By the way, which question did I not answer, Flintus?
I somehow lost track.

Just remember, that I don't like repeating myself.

[NativeForeigner]

Alright, I've done some reading of the previous posts and this is what I have so far.

Azure, revealing your "role", imo, is a stupid move. You could go with the "they thought I was a cop and would just RB me again" argument for your actions, and that's plausible enough. But the primary thing causing my suspicion is the fact that you went from hinting that you were a cop to outright claiming that you're a doctor. It's like you want to assure everyone that you're a townie and should be kept safe, but you've already led us wrong about your role once and the defense of being RBed continuously doesn't seem like a strong defense against that in my opinion, it actually seems kind of scummy.
 
There's no real way to know whether or not you were RBed, so in my opinion, you're probably scum and trying to hide that by claiming you were RBed.

Jet, you're actually starting to be one of my prime suspects right now just from your more recent posts. It seems you've stopped giving a crap and you're now trying to convince everyone that you're a townie by playing the "just you see, I'll totally flip as a townie" card, a desperate move, it seems. However, I haven't much more to go on than that, but you're practically asking to get killed.

Kamina, you're being extremely aggressive, it seems like. You're making accusations everywhere and putting the heat on Jet when it's not really needed. It seems like a scumtell to me, trying to get a townie killed and take the aggro off of yourself. Or maybe you're both scum and trying to distance yourself so one of you can survive.

Mindmaker, I actually don't have much to say against you yet.

Murphy, either you truly didn't know or you're just playing stupid in regards to the scumchat. In more experienced games it would definitely be a scumtell, but I'm not so sure it would be in a beginner's game.

[KaminaSquirtle]

Kamina, you're being extremely aggressive, it seems like. You're making accusations everywhere and putting the heat on Jet when it's not really needed. It seems like a scumtell to me, trying to get a townie killed and take the aggro off of yourself. Or maybe you're both scum and trying to distance yourself so one of you can survive.

How else do you expect to gain info but to apply pressure?  I want to see if he's just being really stupid, or if he's actually scum, as I suspect.  I'm trying to force him to defend himself properly, so I can give him a fair assessment, however he's not really cooperating.  At it's heart, aggression is a towntell.  However scum may use it as a strategy.  How does attacking aggressively make me less suspicious, exactly?  I'm attracting attention, putting myself in the spotlight.  And if I were scumbuddies with Jet, you can rest assured I would be voting him, not Murphy.  I'd want him killed ASAP.  And done properly, the bussing would free me of suspicion.  Anyway, he's such an idiot I couldn't coordinate anything with him anyways.

And how am I 'putting accusations everywhere'?  I'm just pushing Jet and Murphy.  Just 2 people, hardly 'everywhere'.

Mostly beginner's mistakes, though, which you can't be blamed for.  You'll see I'm right once you have some experience.

Alright, I've done some reading of the previous posts and this is what I have so far.

Azure, revealing your "role", imo, is a stupid move. You could go with the "they thought I was a cop and would just RB me again" argument for your actions, and that's plausible enough. But the primary thing causing my suspicion is the fact that you went from hinting that you were a cop to outright claiming that you're a doctor. It's like you want to assure everyone that you're a townie and should be kept safe, but you've already led us wrong about your role once and the defense of being RBed continuously doesn't seem like a strong defense against that in my opinion, it actually seems kind of scummy.
 
There's no real way to know whether or not you were RBed, so in my opinion, you're probably scum and trying to hide that by claiming you were RBed.

Where did Azure hint he was a cop, exactly?  I must have missed that.

[NativeForeigner]

However scum may use it as a strategy

If that's true (which it probably is), how are we to know that you're not using that strategy yourself to defend yourself? By putting yourself in the spotlight and bringing in all of the attention, you're doing something that someone wouldn't expect from scum, making it less likely for them to vote to kill you. It seems like a legitimate tactic for a scum to use, but it's difficult to tell whether you're clever scum that's going against the expected (not voting for Jet to clear your name and bringing attention to yourself) or whether you're just a townie doing your thing.

And how am I 'putting accusations everywhere'?  I'm just pushing Jet and Murphy.  Just 2 people, hardly 'everywhere'.

My mistake, the excessive accusations against just those two led me to believe that you were accusing more people.

Since I stupidly said the moment day 2 began that a 'cop with a guilty would be handy right about now'

I didn't realize this might encourage scum to think I was the cop trying to take control of the group

Unless I misunderstood what he was saying, it was at the beginning of day two.