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Author Topic: Beginner's Mafia XVII - It all ends in flames...  (Read 57299 times)

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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #390 on: November 03, 2010, 11:32:24 pm »

And I have to prove that I'm actually not that smart :D

... No, you have to prove that you're not scum.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #391 on: November 03, 2010, 11:42:33 pm »

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... No, you have to prove that you're not scum.
Kamina seems to imply that I could only be a townie if I'm not smart =)

Could it be that your new role is scum, KaminaSquirtle? I was suspecting Spade too.
Although no... it is unlikely. Too little time has passed since you replaced Spade. You wouldn't have enough time to come up with a false accusation, especially one so complex and plausible-looking.
So you're probably a townie.

The first scum is Jetsquirrel, but who's the second then... Azure?
Sorry, don't have time right now. Gotta go, looking forward to see how it all unfolds.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #392 on: November 04, 2010, 12:22:18 am »

What errands I was going to do now got cancelled, so I'm back.

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AND Murphy's questions when Jet rejoined seemed an awful lot like something you would ask your scumbuddy
Found what I was asking Jetsquirrel when he replaced Elegy.
Jetsquirrel, will you maintain the vote Elegy has cast on Ottofar? Feel free to answer after you've taken time to familiarize yourself with the thread.
Also, do you consider your position unstable because of Elegy's actions, or do you think that there weren't any scumtells from him?
I can see your point now. Although I'm unsure why'd a mafia need to ask their scumbuddy anything at all.
I'm just unfamiliar with replacements (I've only played IRL before, remember?), what I thought was "Jet's position is handicapped, let me ask him something ambiguous, if he's a mafia, he'll slip easily". Unfortunately, his answer was bland.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #393 on: November 04, 2010, 01:09:47 am »

My tunnel vision shames me  :-[ but my money is still on Mindmaker/Jet
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« Reply #394 on: November 04, 2010, 01:25:26 am »

Hey, I'll be the replacement if you still need one.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #395 on: November 04, 2010, 01:26:43 am »

My tunnel vision shames me  :-[ but my money is still on Mindmaker/Jet

You'll lose that bet, buddy.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #396 on: November 04, 2010, 02:07:11 am »

Murphy do you have more than that to prove that i'm scum?
because you gave the reasons which everybodt already did, so you either got no evidence at all or you are just parroting people to keep a low profile.

and like Kamina said you bandwagoned Ottofar at the last moment and right now you are not much of a help either expect trying to find a lynch to scum win.






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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #397 on: November 04, 2010, 02:14:03 am »

If I and Jet are scum, why'd I want to remove my vote from innocent Azure and shift to lynching a scumbuddy? When I have a good cause against Azure? Quite a stupid move it would have been if I was a mafia.

Flintus, I humbly ask you to support me against Jetsquirrel. I doubt that you will get any support to your current vote, and everyone (even those accusing me) seems to agree that Jetsquirrel is a mafia. I realize that with Jet flipping mafia, I'll still be under heavy suspicion. But at least we won't have a LyLo on the third day.

I'll make a roster of who might be scum, in case I'm killed the town can use it. I'll reconsider and reuse some of my earlier posts in it.
The suspects are listed from most scummy to least scummy.

1) Jetsquirrel (former Elegy):
Has extremely inconsistent behavior. Had one scumtell during day 1 (that's going into discussion about me having three votes, and overly trying to sound unsure and vague). During day 2 his actions generally contradict each other. Also claimed to have known Otto to be town; note - he didn't suggest, he claimed to have known.
Mafia with 90% certainty.

2) Azure Sepulchre:
As I've said, a plausible scenario is that scum-Azure's gambit wasn't a gambit initially, but a genuine attack, which he later dropped and then claimed it to be a trap in which Ottofar has fallen.
Was expected to not get NKd; knowing these expectations, the scum could kill him to confuse everyone. They didn't.
As a townie he could probably be a threat, being slightly more experienced than everyone. They didn't kill him.
Also, him sounding experienced could be because he had actually known everything from the start (yes, this one is a lame argument, so feel free to disregard it).
Quite eagerly jumps on me after barely enough time to read and carefully analyze Kamina's post.
Mafia with 70% certainty (successfully bussing Jetsquirrel would practically make him win).

3) KaminaSquirtle (former Spade):
While dead, he gets an "insight". Then he reads the topic very carefully, collecting much of what he thinks could be evidence against me. 10 minutes after he's back into the game, he posts all this. Could he be a mafia? Having got a lot of arguments against me and having got a mafia role, it'd be only natural to post these arguments (being mafia he now sees them to be wrong but plausible - just what a mafia needs), thus shifting any suspicion from himself. But to post that within 10 minutes of his return? Without any reconsidering? Quite reckless, though still possible.
Mafia with 50% certainty.

4) Ragnarok
No idea.

5) Mindmaker, Flintus:
Can't notice any good tells. I didn't pay much attention to these two, sadly.
Speaking about being drunk/having hangover could be preparing a good excuse for a possible slip, but that's hardly a good scumtell.

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Murphy do you have more than that to prove that i'm scum?
because you gave the reasons which everybodt already did
Just because someone spotted these reasons before, they don't magically become any less convincing.
If you insist, I'll look through the thread and carefully list all the scumtells that came from you.

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and like Kamina said you bandwagoned Ottofar
I've said already - I was thinking we need 5 votes to lynch him, and if we don't get 5 votes by the end of day, noone will be lynched.
And I would prefer lynching scummy-looking Ottofar than lynching noone.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #398 on: November 04, 2010, 02:19:25 am »

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As I've said, a plausible scenario is that scum-Azure's gambit wasn't a gambit initially, but a genuine attack, which he later dropped and then claimed it to be a trap in which Ottofar has fallen
Wait.
I suddenly realized that this couldn't be a genuine attack. A scum can't attack another scum genuinely.
It means that my "Azure=scum" scenario is wrong.

Now I'm truly confused.
Okay, still I'll try to think everything through a bit later. Will we get an extension due to the replacement?
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #399 on: November 04, 2010, 02:24:07 am »

A scum can't attack another scum genuinely.

Just so you know, it's called a "staged fight."  I've successfully pulled one once, but it helped that we were arguing violently in both the main thread and the scumchat.

In any case, it's an advanced technique that usually doesn't feature in beginners' games.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #400 on: November 04, 2010, 02:25:40 am »

Do the scum have their own chat?
I was thinking they could only communicate during the night.
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« Reply #401 on: November 04, 2010, 02:28:44 am »

Do the scum have their own chat?
I was thinking they could only communicate during the night.

Yeah, scum have a QuickTopic (it's a host for private threads) where they talk to each other at any time, day or night.  It makes the games here a bit crazier because the scum can always coordinate.
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« Reply #402 on: November 04, 2010, 02:52:43 am »

My tunnel vision shames me  :-[ but my money is still on Mindmaker/Jet

You'll lose that bet, buddy.
heh either way I have enjoyed it.

What do you think of the Jet/Murphy scum team? I believe you thought that it was Azure and I yes?
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« Reply #403 on: November 04, 2010, 03:40:37 am »

Gaaaaaaaaaah why didn't I notice that..! >.<

If there had been anything in that list - anything - that should have been obvious, it was that. I iz tardd  :-[

Ah, well. Feel pretty bad for him. He'd come pretty close to winning until you showed up with your damned logic and giant Phoenix Wright billboard.

You went with me on Otto, which went to hell instead; I'll go with you on this, sayin' as it makes so much damn sense anyway. Unvote Jet, Vote Murphy. Well done on your epic win, sirrah. Perhaps I should strive to be dead more often myself, if it proves to be so enlightening.

This hipocisy ends now, Azure.
You won't accuse others for not providing any reasons on their own for voting and then do the same thing yourself.
This vote stays here until you elaborate why you are voting for Murphy yourself, or at least deliver a heavily  commented version of Kaminas theory.

The way it looks now, is that you tried to rally support against me and as I didn't work out as you expected, you started looking for an easier target.
First elaborate, then vote.
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« Reply #404 on: November 04, 2010, 03:41:21 am »

Good.  This is looking better, guys.  Congratulations!
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