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[Toaster]

Ragnarok has requested a replacement.  Now seeking two replacements!

You might want to consider modkilling both of them.

I'd like replacements if at all possible.  You said you might, plus I PMed a fellow who posted in DMA that he hadn't played before, asking him if he wanted in.  If you both in, we're back up to full.

[webadict]

Ragnarok has requested a replacement.  Now seeking two replacements!

You might want to consider modkilling both of them.

I'd like replacements if at all possible.  You said you might, plus I PMed a fellow who posted in DMA that he hadn't played before, asking him if he wanted in.  If you both in, we're back up to full.

I'm going to be too busy and uninterested to play to my full ability, plus asking a newbie to join a game in progress is not ideal.

Seeing as how there's two players missing, just modkill them both and pretend it's Day 3.

Sorry. I know it's bad practice, but letting them stay in is doing no one any good.

[Toaster]

I'd rather not have to modkill at all, if possible.  It's a last resort for any game.

Also, Kamina has offered to replace back in.  It's unorthodox, but no spoilers have been posted in dead chat, and he knows nothing more than he did first go-around.  If there are no serious objections, I'll let him replace back in.

[Vector]

There's precedent.  Go for it.

[webadict]

I'd rather not have to modkill at all, if possible.  It's a last resort for any game.

Also, Kamina has offered to replace back in.  It's unorthodox, but no spoilers have been posted in dead chat, and he knows nothing more than he did first go-around.  If there are no serious objections, I'll let him replace back in.

It should be fine, barring anyone in dead chat speaking as well.

[Toaster]

Good enough for me!  I put a note in deadchat that it's now closed, and I'll open a new one.

KaminaSquirtle has replaced Spade.

Game on!  Still need one more replacement.

[Azure Sepulchre]

Soooo... Kamina. Was there a bright white light at the end of the tunnel, or what?

[KaminaSquirtle]

Ok, thought you could keep the mighty Kamina down, did you?  TOO BAD HE COMES BACK EVEN WHEN KILLED, BITHCES!  TIME TO DIE, SCUM!
Here's my theory, which I cooked up in dead chat.  (It makes more sense if you reread the thread as you read it.)

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Ok, Murphy is the scum. It's him. HOW can you guys not see this? At this point I'm going to explode from obviousness. Murphy+Jet are scum. Look at Jet and his stupid OMGUS. And then at Murphy raging at the ICs for giving advice. Why would town do that? Both scum. SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM.

Jet 'knew' Otto was town? Really? >__________>
AND he doesn't get the point of voting lurkers. >___________________>
And Murphy is impersonating a raeging idiot who doesn't get the IC's help. Of course he gets it, that's why he's trying to put a stop to it!

Time to review the thread and see if I can find evidence in support of my theory.
Ok, this is hilarious! Under my theory, Azure's BS argument was correct! XD
And honestly I could easily see Elegy doing something that stupid. AND Murphy was throwing suspicion on the people voting for him, meaning none of them are his scumbuddies, which makes sense! This just keeps getting better and better!
And you had them pegged, Otto! I can't believe you actually had them. Elegy OMGUSed you and all!
And continuing, Murphy seems to have known way too many things. No scummy behavior from Elegy, even though he was pretty obviously scummy. He even suggested Otto wasn't scum, just stupidly stubborn. He KNEW that, since he was scum.
AND Murphy's questions when Jet rejoined seemed an awful lot like something you would ask your scumbuddy. They could work out the least incriminating answer with the scum IC.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL sooooooo obvious. Murphy pretty much stopped posting once Ottofar was pretty much the guaranteed lynch. And now Jet pulls a stupid. Unvoting Otto was a very stupid scum move, which makes sense when you see how badly he plays in other games. And his stupid 'ratings' of Elegy, he doesn't know quite what to say. It may be a good idea to point out that the time Murphy stopped posting was also the time Jet started acting stupid. This may have been because their IC was away. When I pointed out Azure probably won't get NKed, Jet's answer was consistent with the scum not NKing him. And now Jet trying to get Flintus...
Murphy votes for Otto at last second, bandwagoning and generally being useless to town. But that vote showed a contrast with Jet's, thus separating them so if one gets killed the other will be mostly free of suspicion. And after I was killed Jet immediately jumped to see who I was suspicious of, consistent with a mafia member who killed me to move suspicion on to who I last suspected.
And now Murphy comes in to say I was NKed because I wasn't suspicious, not because I was on to something to a) cover Jet's back, and b) dismiss my death as giving no info, thus leaving the town with less info to find him and Jet scum with. And Murphy claims he's not suspicious, lol nice slip up there bub. "Trying to figure out at what pint we screwed it up", hahahahaHAHAHAHA. You were what we screwed up. And you had to throw in the "hmmm Jet could be scum but I don't think so cause he's MY SCUMBUDDY", didn't you Murphy? And look at you lurking in a corner and chuckling evilly. And here come the JET, for a little scum-on-scum. Also thinking about Azure being scum lawl, nice job copying your scumbuddy. And yet again with the 'knew he was a townie.' More BS ratings from Jet, completely inconsistent with his earlier one.

And now good old Webadict points out how stupid we all are for not noticing this, he's totally right, too. >____>
And Mind is getting frustrated, if only you could see this post, my man.
Murphy begins getting angry at Webadict for trying to help town when things are going so good.
Jet blames the lurker. woohoo, go jet. And EVEN MORE Jet being lolstupid.
Murphy now protects Jet with the fact that he removed his vote. Now THAT isn't suspicious at all.....
Oh, here's some bussing, just nothing devastating enough to get him hung. He's beginning to use more advanced tactics now that he's more comfortable with the game. And maybe he's beginning to see Jet as a liability, and wants to knock him off.
More lolstupid from Jet. Looks like Elegy 'fucked up' everything. It wasn't Elegy, man, it's you.
Yup, Jet's revealing too much to be good to have around, time for Murphy to kill him before he incriminates Murphy himself.
By now, Murphy is trying to pull damage control while he still can.
Now Jet's mad that Webadict may join and reveal him for what he is. And Flintus hits Jet on another scumtell. Just don't forger Murphy, guys! Don't let him get away with this gambit!
Curiosity from Murphy on how bad Webadict joining will screw him over. What stupid trick is Jet going to pull? He already knows the number of mafia, he can't expect saying that to make him look innocent. So much lolstupid. Probably will out Murphy as scum out of raeg. Or maybe one last ditch chance to save his own skin.

ICs are right, guys, just look at the first day, and that should be all you need. If I were still alive, this post would probably win the game for us, but alas.....

Soooo... Kamina. Was there a bright white light at the end of the tunnel, or what?

This theory seems pretty bright to me!  Dead chat was like a journal, Ottofar said almost nothing.
I also have a new word for how jet was/is acting "lolstupid".

[KaminaSquirtle]

This should be enough to chew on for QUITE a while.  It's good to be back, my friends(or enemies?  you can never tell in mafia).

[KaminaSquirtle]

HOW COULD I FORGET HOW MUCH I WANTED TO DO THIS?!!!

if you looked carefully at everything people are saying and put it together, you could figure out the game quite easily

Yeah, yeah. "I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it."
Heh, now I know what ICs are for. To be cryptic and tell us now much we suck at this game!

But you guys don't seem to know what you're looking for

We're looking for scumtells. Are you asking what looks like a scumtell to us? Or are you asking what should we look for instead?
I'll answer both questions with one word: dunno.
Gut feeling probably. 'Cause we're.. y'know, beginners.

For some reason I regret having asked for advice already.

Why the hell would a townie want their IC to shut up, hmmmm?  You're just trying to shut up any help we could get at finding scum!  Too bad it's too late!  Great job on killing me, I must congratulate you, if it weren't for the circumstances, it would have worked!  But it didn't! 
The game is up, Murphy!

Srs:  I chose Murphy over Jet because without him, Jet would be lot worse off than Murphy without Jet.  Kill the partner who can think, and the one who can't will be rendered useless!

[KaminaSquirtle]

Oh, and votecount, please.

[Azure Sepulchre]

Murphy votes for Otto at last second, bandwagoning and generally being useless to town. But that vote showed a contrast with Jet's, thus separating them so if one gets killed the other will be mostly free of suspicion. And after I was killed Jet immediately jumped to see who I was suspicious of, consistent with a mafia member who killed me to move suspicion on to who I last suspected.

Gaaaaaaaaaah why didn't I notice that..! >.<

If there had been anything in that list - anything - that should have been obvious, it was that. I iz tardd 

Ah, well. Feel pretty bad for him. He'd come pretty close to winning until you showed up with your damned logic and giant Phoenix Wright billboard.

You went with me on Otto, which went to hell instead; I'll go with you on this, sayin' as it makes so much damn sense anyway. Unvote Jet, Vote Murphy. Well done on your epic win, sirrah. Perhaps I should strive to be dead more often myself, if it proves to be so enlightening.

[KaminaSquirtle]

Yeah, after being detached from the game for a while, you can view it more objectively.  I came up with this theory after seeing them both being stupid at once a few pages ago, and saw how well it fit when I reviewed the thread.  Then I was pretty much going insane with wanting to tell you guys, but then I found a way back in, to steal the day from scum!  I'm gonna go to bed now.  Can't wait to see the full discussion when I get up!

[Azure Sepulchre]

...oh God. Oh God no. I just noticed...

Ok, this is hilarious! Under my theory, Azure's BS argument was correct! XD

...

[Murphy]

Ha, now's where it gets interesting.
You think I'm a smart scum and Jet is a stupid scum.
And I have to prove that I'm actually not that smart

And then at Murphy raging at the ICs for giving advice.

So you won't believe that a newbie townie can think of ICs as useless?
I don't really believe that ICs could be of any help to town.
They are forbidden to help us directly, and they are just bad at helping indirectly. At least Webadict is.
Also, Webadict wasn't an IC from the start. He's just some person who came here to say how bad we suck at this game. I'd rather have him leave us alone and learn by myself. Or maybe he could join, I'd like to see how he miraculously finds the real scum for us (assuming he does not become one).

And Murphy is impersonating a raeging idiot who doesn't get the IC's help

I'm not impersonating anyone. I was just tired of how complex the situation had become; of my own inability to find reliable clues in this mess. And I'm also angry at the ICs claiming to be of help while they in fact can't help the town.

And honestly I could easily see Elegy doing something that stupid.

And continuing, Murphy seems to have known way too many things. No scummy behavior from Elegy, even though he was pretty obviously scummy.

Are you speaking of Elegy "protecting" me? It could in fact be a scumtell, no matter if I'm scum or town. But it was the only scumtell by that time. I just considered it too little to accuse Elegy. Ottofar looked way more scummy for me.

He even suggested Otto wasn't scum, just stupidly stubborn. He KNEW that, since he was scum.

Now that's ridiculous. Every time someone makes a correct guess, they are automatically assumed to have known all along.
I only tried to look through all possibilities. And I was trying to be careful, because at day one we didn't have much certainty.

AND Murphy's questions when Jet rejoined seemed an awful lot like something you would ask your scumbuddy.

No idea what are you talking about.
Gonna read again later, currently I don't have time.

Murphy pretty much stopped posting once Ottofar was pretty much the guaranteed lynch.

Murphy votes for Otto at last second, bandwagoning and generally being useless to town.

I was thinking that you need 5 votes to lynch someone, dammit! I said so explicitly!

When I pointed out Azure probably won't get NKed, Jet's answer was consistent with the scum not NKing him.

Can't find where you did that. It was I who pointed that out:

I'm almost sure Azure will then survive the night, because he would either be mafia himself or a good daytime target for them to blame.

And after I was killed Jet immediately jumped to see who I was suspicious of, consistent with a mafia member who killed me to move suspicion on to who I last suspected.

Maybe. Jet is likely scum.

And Murphy claims he's not suspicious, lol nice slip up there bub.

Wat?
How's that supposed to be a slip? I was just trying to look through a mafia's eyes and analyse.
My analysis was mostly crap though.

And look at you lurking in a corner and chuckling evilly.

I'm chuckling right now, yeah.
No, I'm not mafia. But the situation is still hilarious. Webadict was right after all, we are going to lose hardcore.

Murphy now protects Jet with the fact that he removed his vote. Now THAT isn't suspicious at all.....

You probably misread. I do not protect him. I suspect him because he removed his vote. That's partly the reason I'm voting for him now.

Curiosity from Murphy on how bad Webadict joining will screw him over. What stupid trick is Jet going to pull? He already knows the number of mafia, he can't expect saying that to make him look innocent. So much lolstupid. Probably will out Murphy as scum out of raeg. Or maybe one last ditch chance to save his own skin.

I'm curious what is that question Jetsquirrel is going to ask. If he's going to ask it at all.

P.S. Kamina, I'm glad you're back, regardless
Because at least the game now won't stall.

P.P.S. Please stop posting unspoilered images. They make the topic harder to read. Or make them smaller at least.