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Jetsquirrel

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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #360 on: November 03, 2010, 04:11:42 pm »

How many scum are there in this game?!?

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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #361 on: November 03, 2010, 04:27:21 pm »

You use skill to find the scum and make them slip.  Apply pressure.  Be powerful.  This isn't a game where the scum are picking off the townies like sheep, and the scum control the game.  You allow them to control the game.  You have to take back control and hunt those scum.  Make them scared of you.

I meant that skill isn't as important as communication and teamwork, if you're playing town.

I'd believe the mafia could win without communicating at all.
You could act independent, blending in with the town and the others wouldn't be able to draw a connection between you two.

We can always blame our own failures on other people's problems.  Yes, Webby is very, very arrogant.  That is his problem.  He is also very, very good at this game.  Not listening to him is your problem.

Never said I didn't listen to him.
However I was already bulding my own list (in my head), before he told us how badly we sucked.

Anyway I don't think a scum-stereotype will bring us anywhere.
People are different and there won't always be foolproof way to determine someones scumminess.

I'd like to figure it out on my own.
See what their playstlye is, watch their behaviour and simply get to know them.
That much more useful, than a "How scum are you?"-checklist.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #362 on: November 03, 2010, 04:28:08 pm »

How many scum are there in this game?!?

2, I think.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #363 on: November 03, 2010, 04:32:19 pm »

How many scum are there in this game?!?

Also, there's two. Read the first page; it should've told you everything you needed to know.

After reading through it I realized the first post doesn't say the number of maf. However, this post does.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #364 on: November 03, 2010, 04:35:13 pm »

By the way, who is getting replaced?
Spade or Ragnarok?
Because both of them are pretty much inactive, but it only says that one will be replaced.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #365 on: November 03, 2010, 04:37:31 pm »

Never said I didn't listen to him.
However I was already bulding my own list (in my head), before he told us how badly we sucked.

Anyway I don't think a scum-stereotype will bring us anywhere.
People are different and there won't always be foolproof way to determine someones scumminess.

I'd like to figure it out on my own.
See what their playstlye is, watch their behaviour and simply get to know them.
That much more useful, than a "How scum are you?"-checklist.

All right, good.  You should do very well in the future, then.  Just keep up the good effort =)
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #366 on: November 03, 2010, 04:44:44 pm »

By the way, who is getting replaced?
Spade or Ragnarok?
Because both of them are pretty much inactive, but it only says that one will be replaced.
I would suggest both of them being replaced.

I am also unsure if I should join. I'd have to trudge through a lot... Hmph. When's Day end?
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #367 on: November 03, 2010, 04:50:43 pm »

Tomorrow at 11 PM, EST.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #368 on: November 03, 2010, 07:36:10 pm »

Vote Count:

ragnarok97071: {0}
Flintus10: {0}
Mindmaker: {0}
Jetsquirrel: {2} Murphy, Azure Sepulchre
Spade: {0}
Azure Sepulchre: {0}
Murphy: {0}

Not Voting: ragnarok97071, Flintus10, Mindmaker, Jetsquirrel, Spade

Day 2 ends Thursday 11/4 11 PM EST

Currently only Spade is up for replacement, though Ragnarok will be force replaced if he goes 48 hours from his last post without posting (Weekends, again, give more slack.)  You may ask for more extensions if they are needed.  I'm pretty generous with them.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #369 on: November 03, 2010, 08:10:51 pm »

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Unvote Spade, Vote Jetsquirrel.

is that all? nothing more to add to that?
I find it funny that Murphy votes for me and a few posts later you vote for me, scum buddy maybe?
Azure Why didn't you start attacking me earlier when i was your MAIN FoS? If i really was your main FoS then you would have attacked me much much earlier but you didnt do that so there must be a other reason? One of those reasons can be
1. I said that i knew that Ottofar was town and he turned out town magicly! Coincidence i think not i assumed from his actions that he was town.
2. The fuck im not Elegy post, Which i think is true since quite some people kept asking me stuff about elegy while they should go scumhunting and not ask questions about a person that left.
Like i said that can be 1 of the reasons you have voted for me now. But i think that your vote is scummy, you did exactly in that post what Ottofar did. VOTE because he thinks im scum.

Okay Okay Okay.... JET
You know if you could just provide us with the quote from DAY 1 stating that you thought Ottofar was town this would all go away.

I still don't know why you tried to defend him, though, considering he wasn't even defending himself. Personally, I still can't even fathom how that makes someone look like town. It was tantamount to active bloody lurking.

Several times you considered the actions of players from two angles (mafia/town).
I can't see why you didn't spent a single thought to the possibility of Ottofar being town.
Are you trying to say here we should only look at a player ONLY from a town angle, because nobody is 100% confirmed and this is a horrible way to play as town.
...I'm trying to figure out what your point here is. Are you attacking me over rying tp persuade people to lynch Otto because I thought he was scum?

...Jesus. Do you even know what he fuck town have to do?

I bloddy well know, that it isn't their job to jump at the first target that offers itself.
Which is funnily enough EXACTLY what Ottofar did as well and he did not even have a legitimate reason nor would he explain himself. If Ottofar did not act how you think a townie should act then why were you so sure he was innocent?
So...you think he was town because he acted too scummy.
And you spent the entire first day trying to protect him and now you admit he was acting dumb?
Then in that case you can hardly blame us for thinking he was scum right?
Either way that is a terrible reason and does give you any reason to not suspect him I mean why a townie would play so badly and get himself lynched.

The only thing I could blame you for, is for not thinking outside the box, in a game which basically requires to do so.

You just completely palmed this one away without justification. I mean what the heck you don’t get it I want to know what made you so sure that Ottofar was town and saying that he played badly may be an “Outside the Box” reason for thinking he is town but there is no way that could give you the assurance that you had.
I also love how it seems like you know how a good scum would act considering this is your first game and you are apparently town.

That contradicts what you just said.
So I either have no idea, how scum is supposed to act, or I have a damn good idea.

No you see my point is the only way you’d have a good idea is if you had a scum IC assisting you.
Hmmm, many good points made here.  I agree.  This is suspicious, though there is definitely the possibility of Mindmaker just being a noob at the beginning.  I think he's at the top of my list of Otto's scumbuddies (assuming Otto's scum, everything changes if he's not), along with ragnarok.  The only reason I suspect him more is Otto's lynch all lurkers comments realised what use questions were you didn't use them effectively but know your posting these walls of text and working well. Which makes me wonder though it's not impossible for

Otto did not flip scum but that still does not change the fact that Kamina was both suspicious of you and a confirmed townie and he died during the night...coincidence eh? Or did you decide to kill the quietest of those who you thought were on to you so as to avoid suspicion?

No questions that desperately need answering here but I think it is your best interest that you think about all these points.
I bolded the part, which is important.
Whatever he wrote, was null and void at the end of day 1.

Even though he wasn't a threat, I'd agree he was a viable target. Not too involved or suspicious, but neither to passive.

However assuming that I'm mafia, I'd get rid of Azrure right away.
That would at least lift this fatiguing stalemate.
You could eliminate him, leaving everyone else in the dark.I'd be able to talk my way out of everything else, using the Ottofar-card right and diverting suspicion on any of the other voters, as well as the lurkers
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So if you were mafia then you would be doing exactly what you have been today then? Except apparently azure is in your way or something?

Either way I have heard enough Mindmaker
1.   You claim that you certainly knew Ottofar was town despite not having any reason to be assured.
2.   You did not start defending him until it was almost certain he would be lynched
3.   Since the new day you have started acting a lot more smug and confident and yet bemoaning the fact that the town will lose, which is definitely a scum tell.
You are mafia and that is how you knew Ottofar was town so you defended him after it was almost certain he would be lynched so you could spend all of day two saying “I told you so therefore I am town” Which is a scum tell.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #370 on: November 03, 2010, 08:28:58 pm »

Ragnarok has requested a replacement.  Now seeking two replacements!
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #371 on: November 03, 2010, 08:56:18 pm »

Ragnarok has requested a replacement.  Now seeking two replacements!
You might want to consider modkilling both of them.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #372 on: November 03, 2010, 09:12:39 pm »

If you do plan to modkill them, then I'd like to request another extension. If they both appear as town, then we'll instantly be in mylo. I dunno how the rest of the players would feel about that, but I'd rather make damn sure of my lynch on such a precarious occasion - assuming I'll lynch at all.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #373 on: November 03, 2010, 09:18:26 pm »

*whoops; counted the wrong number of names. I meant lylo... which I suppose is a good deal worse. >.>
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day Two: A picture of Death [One replacement needed!]
« Reply #374 on: November 03, 2010, 09:21:31 pm »

Yeah I'd rather we didn't modkill them and lose the game if they are town
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