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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #210 on: October 26, 2010, 03:54:47 pm »

Now that i'm back from school and reread the thread...
Ragnarok,
er... I have no idea what to ask...
Okay, what do you think of the cop role? How would you play it?
I'd probably use it to identify the persons who I see as suspicious and covertly point the angry mob in their direction. It's a useful role, as the player can find out what side the target is on, in a reliable manner.
Ragnarok,  if you have been keeping track, why did you land third vote on Murphy?
Because at the time, he looked untrustworthy. I'm not so sure of that anymore, however, and this is partly why I am not voting for Ottofar right now. He's already dead, and I see no reason to compound that without more compelling evidence, as I have said.

Also @Ragnarok
probably just a newbie mistake but adding a third vote to someone for absolutely no reason during RVS is reasonably suspicious and looks like a bandwagon vote so slight FOS on you for that scummy action.
I'll keep that in mind. As I said, he looked somewhat suspicious at the time. As you said, probably a Newbie mistake.
ragnarok: if my attacks on Otto actually make sense to you, then why aren't you joining in? What else do you have that is worth pursuing? How do you intend to respond to the fairly large amount of pressure mounting against you from questions you've left unanswered and your lapses into silence? If you think I have a case against Otto, then what's your opinion of the case against Elegy?
I'm not joining in because at this point, one vote one way or another won't really matter, will it? all it would do is make it look like i'm scum and waste a turn whenever you decide that I need to be lynched. On the case of Elegy, I have very little opinion on him. He looks somewhat suspicious, but as I have said, I have learned not to vote for someone unless I have good reason to see them as scum.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #211 on: October 26, 2010, 04:09:22 pm »

Because at the time, he looked untrustworthy. I'm not so sure of that anymore, however, and this is partly why I am not voting for Ottofar right now. He's already dead, and I see no reason to compound that without more compelling evidence, as I have said.
What exactly did you find to look untrustworthy?
I'm not joining in because at this point, one vote one way or another won't really matter, will it? all it would do is make it look like i'm scum and waste a turn whenever you decide that I need to be lynched. On the case of Elegy, I have very little opinion on him. He looks somewhat suspicious, but as I have said, I have learned not to vote for someone unless I have good reason to see them as scum.
You don't need to join in with a vote, just help the argument against him.  Mind you, there isn't much chance to do that until he posts again.  Just try to find something to contribute somewhere.  That's how you avoid looking like scum.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #212 on: October 26, 2010, 06:45:08 pm »

Mindmaker apart from calling him "the underdog" you are still yet to actually give me a proper opinion on Ottofar, do you or do you not think he is scum? Why?

Also in your little scenario who do you think is scum B and who do you think is scum A??? I have replaced the letters with who I think you suspect and have come up with nothing

 You seem to be determined to lynch Elegy/Jetsquirrel based only on the fact that they were agressive (a point which is moot now as Jet will play both townie and scum differently.) Are you still willing to suspect him?

Sorry for all the questions but I really do need an answer to them all.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #213 on: October 26, 2010, 06:59:49 pm »

Elegy has been banned and needs a replacement.

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Well, whatever. Can we get an extension? Jet needs time to catch up on the game so far, and we all need to get a feel of the new player.

On that note, Jet: What have you discovered from the last Beginner's game? Is there anything you've learned about playing as town or as scum from observing how it all unfolded? How well do you think this knowledge will apply to this game? What are your thoughts on the game up to this point; particularly on the Otto/Elegy contest and Otto's current predicament?

Actually, since several players of the last Beginner game are now in this one, I'd recommend that some of you read over the last game - it isn't all that long, having died not long after the start of day 2 - if you'd like to use some meta arguments. :P At the very least, it'll show you why Otto's proposed method of play isn't the only kind nor necessarily the best, and could give you an idea of how Jet plays before he posts.

This was the final part, which was supposed to justify my unvote. Nothing more, nothing less.
It's just great how you just take a part of my post, ignoring the rest and try to picture me as an instigator.

I was actually pointing out the fact that you FOS'd me on the basis of apparently having some idea of 'what I was doing'. So because I'd tried out a scum trap, I should be condemned as scummy myself? I don't understand the reasoning behind it. I can at least understand one on Elegy, but it's like you FOS'd me for being town. =/

If you would have looked at the upper part of the post, you would have seen that it was an inquiry, about what the others thought about the whole situation.
With all the lurking going on, I thought they too couldn't make heads or tails out of it.

So you think I'm trying to help Ottofar?
You're wrong.
Ever heard of the underdog syndrome?
I would be sceptic, if the situation was the other way round, too.

I'm wrong? Oh, well, I apologise for making such awful presumptions!

Rooting for an underdog in Mafia has as good a chance of sparing a Maf lynch as saving a Town. Just be sure you have more than some sense of justice or morality to uphold before you consider siding with another player, or you'll be dragged down with them if they're not as clean as you'd suspected.

On the other hand, this is still a Beginner's game, and I'm more used to games where people have less time to think through what they say... hmph, and the fact that Jet has joined the game, too, has served to remind me how easily I managed to manipulate his posts. I still suspect you more than most others because of your sheer determination to stick by Otto, but not to such a strong degree. A pinky finger at best, Mindmaker. lolucwotididthar

Considering how things have gone, though, you're still my top lynch for tomorrow.

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Eh, fair points. I'll hold you to that, though, when Otto posts. If, rather. >.> Assuming you'll make stronger moves in day 2 if you don't get a chance against Otto, I'll defer judgement of you for now.

Also, I'd simply rather Elegy just answered whatever questions were put to him than to have him simply replaced. A new person playing as a replacement can easily shift everyone's opinions if they let him, but at the same time old prejudices could get him killed because of who he used to be. Not like there's a choice in the matter, but... eh. Don't mean I have to like losing the information I already have. >.>

So Azure, why did you unvote Elegy, even though his answers were curt, evasive and unfriendly.
After you unvoted him, you suddenly lost all interest in him.
Why is that?

Otto's answers were just as curt - if not moreso - by comparison (which, I might add, was a point I let go of because he's like that in most games), and Elegy comes across as unfriendly in many games regardless of his character template, from what I've seen and heard. As for evasiveness... I don't recall seeing him acting evasive. I saw him getting annoyed, and little else - as I would be, under the circumstances. How can I call him out on something like that if I would act the same way?

For your second point: because Otto had captured my interest. Hell, wasn't that obvious? I mean, I've paid about as much attention to Elegy since then as I have to... say, Murphy, this game, but you haven't brought that into question. I had to concentrate on Otto, to make sure he hadn't just stumbled into the elephant trap by accident - I mean, let's face it, that trap on its own wasn't enough to secure a lynch on anyone. I needed to be sure he wasn't town, so I continued to press the advantage the gambit gave me. Personally, I'm as sure right now as I can be that he isn't town.

We have scum A(zure) and scum Bee(legy).
Scum B acuses scum A of being scum, which results in scum B acting agressive, tight-lipped and evasive.
Scum A then waits for reactions of the other players.
A townie eagerly points out the flaws in scum Bs answers.
Then a heated argument between scum B and the townie, which makes them both seem suspicious.
This is when scum A enters the scene again and supports scum B in his argument.
Now it's the time for scum B to keep posting to a minimum to escape further suspicion, while scum A takes over his argument.

It's one of many possible scenarios, but it's one we might give a try.

lol, that's some knack for subtlety you got thar.

But getting back to the point at hand, I'd considered that, too - at least, I'd considered the gambit might appear as such, but figured it would look like that to some people no matter who I used it on. But there isn't such a thing as a fool-proof method of finding scum. It was risky in execution, but so is every move in Mafia. Would you prefer that we ask one another inane questions until the Maf outnumber the Town?
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #214 on: October 26, 2010, 09:28:04 pm »

Vote Count:

ragnarok97071: {1} Spade
Flintus10: {0}
Mindmaker: {0}
Jetsquirrel: {1} Ottofar
Ottofar: {4} Flintus10, Jetsquirrel, Azure Sepulchre, KaminaSquirtle
KaminaSquirtle: {0}
Spade: {0}
Azure Sepulchre: {0}
Murphy: {0}

Not Voting: Murphy, Mindmaker, ragnarok97071

Day 1 ends Wednesday 10/27 11 PM EST

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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #215 on: October 26, 2010, 09:54:12 pm »

One extension request heard.  Will extend 24 hours with two more requests.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #216 on: October 26, 2010, 09:56:48 pm »

extension.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #217 on: October 26, 2010, 10:39:59 pm »

Extension
My guess would be that one of them is a maf trying to lynch a townie or their scumbuddy.
Well do you any guess as to which of the four it is?
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #218 on: October 26, 2010, 10:40:30 pm »

Extension, to be official about it.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #219 on: October 26, 2010, 10:41:34 pm »

Extension
My guess would be that one of them is a maf trying to lynch a townie or their scumbuddy.
Well do you any guess as to which of the four it is?
Spade
What?  Spade is voting ragnarok.
Are you suggesting they are the scum?
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #220 on: October 26, 2010, 10:44:09 pm »

No, they were reminding me of the question.

I currently don't know. It probably depends on whether or not Ottofar is town or mafia.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #221 on: October 26, 2010, 10:48:46 pm »

Oh ok, that makes more sense.
Eagerly awaiting Ottofar's next post/lynching.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #222 on: October 26, 2010, 10:51:17 pm »

No, they were reminding me of the question.

I currently don't know. It probably depends on whether or not Ottofar is town or mafia.

really? because your quote seems to say you think one of those voting for ottofar is mafia regardless of his alignment

And Kamina i really doubt ottofar will post anything of substance as he seems resigned to his lynch like a good scum would be
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #223 on: October 27, 2010, 12:00:48 am »

Yeah, I'm for extending the day too.
Jetsquirrel, will you maintain the vote Elegy has cast on Ottofar? Feel free to answer after you've taken time to familiarize yourself with the thread.
Also, do you consider your position unstable because of Elegy's actions, or do you think that there weren't any scumtells from him?
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #224 on: October 27, 2010, 03:50:48 am »

Jetsquirrel:  How do you intend to play differently than Elegy?  How well would you say he played, on a scale of 1-10?  Why?

Gotta read this whole thing so it's gonna take some time for a oppinion.
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