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[Flintus10]

Azure You have any reads on who you might think the second scum is?

Murphy If Ottofar does somehow flip town what do you think will happen next?

[Murphy]

Murphy If Ottofar does somehow flip town what do you think will happen next?

I'm almost sure Azure will then survive the night, because he would either be mafia himself or a good daytime target for them to blame.

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

ragnarok97071: {1} Spade
Flintus10: {0}
Mindmaker: {0}
Elegy: {1} Ottofar
Ottofar: {4} Flintus10, Elegy, Azure Sepulchre, KaminaSquirtle
KaminaSquirtle: {0}
Spade: {0}
Azure Sepulchre: {0}
Murphy: {0}

Not Voting: Murphy, Mindmaker, ragnarok97071

Day 1 ends Wednesday 10/27 11 PM EST

[Flintus10]

My guess would be that one of them is a maf trying to lynch a townie or their scumbuddy.

Well do you any guess as to which of the four it is?

[Ottofar]

Sorry I wasn't on yesterday, had terrible migraine. I'm still having a headache, but I'll do something.

Ottofar, you seem to think that finding someone who's being voted for, then pressing on him until he panics and breaks is likely to yield scumtells. Did this tactic work for you when you were playing town in the past games?

Actually, this is my first game I tried to push this hard. But I've seen it work.

I was away for around a day again. (That's an answer to Otto's 'where are you?' post. It's too far back for me to quote.)

In my opinion, they make a lot of sense. not quite enough to add my vote to his massive pile of votes, but they do make sense.

You're still not saying not saying anything useful, ragnarok. Do you actually have something good to say or maybe even a question?

Ragnarok/Kamina/Spade/Murphy what do you think of the situation?
Are the accusations against Ottofar justified? Or did the mafia just found a good opportunity to lynch a townie?

I'm unsure. Of course it's possible none of the people voting for them is maf, but that's three people on one person.
My guess would be that one of them is a maf trying to lynch a townie or their scumbuddy.


Ottofar: Who do you think(if you think), of the people voting you, has the best or worst argument about it?

Flintus, with no argument at all.

I don't personally think Azure is scum, but am I the only one to notice, that Elegy lurks, until called out, letting Azure's (unintentional[?]) chainsaw do the defending. 

I've stated a couple of times now, that I only used Azure's argument to push.

[KaminaSquirtle]

I don't personally think Azure is scum, but am I the only one to notice, that Elegy lurks, until called out, letting Azure's (unintentional[?]) chainsaw do the defending. 

Elegy:  What is your response to this comment?  Is it justified?  Why or why not?

[Azure Sepulchre]

Hmm... quite a lot of questions pointed at me, here, and a couple of things I want to address too. I have to go soon, but I'll see how many I can answer in about 5 minutes.

Actually, this is my first game I tried to push this hard. But I've seen it work.

Bayer used this tactic in the last Beginner's game, like I already said. It winded up with him calling the Godfather town, allowed me as Maf to score a lynch on a scummy player, and would have been a very easy lynch himself for the next day, had the game not been killed by lurkers - lurkers primarily brought on by how Bayer was playing, according to the post-game review. Perhaps one of us would have died before the end of the game, had we let our guard down and had the game been allowed to continue, but I doubt it.

Point being? Over-aggression kills more than townies, if left unleashed. =/

I've stated a couple of times now, that I only used Azure's argument to push.

Why do you think I used that particular quote of yours, when I called you out? The one where you ultimately declared - declared - that Elegy was scum? Because it was at exactly that point where you didn't think you needed to push any more. If you hadn't tried to dismiss him as scum while still trying to use my bogus argument, thn I wouldn't have my vote on you right now. Fancy that, huh?

I'm almost sure Azure will then survive the night, because he would either be mafia himself or a good daytime target for them to blame.

But he ain't, so I'm probably dead. Ah, well; good luck tomorrow, guys.

Azure You have any reads on who you might think the second scum is?

Since I'm probably a dead man, I'll offer my suspects:

Kamina - I never trust the fourth/third people on a scum lynch, and since I'm the third and I have an actual agrument, I can only suspect the fourth. In my experience in IRC games, it's more often scum bussig their team mate than anything else. This is highly speculative, of course, and relies on statistical information too heavily to be of much use in an individual game... but I noticed he sat on the fence for quite a while, before he joined the Otto lynch. Almost as if hoping he could pull off a lynch on Elegy instead. He also seemed much more interested in my reasons for lynching Otto than Otto's for lynching Elegy, despite the fact that mine were much clearer.

Mindmaker - I just can't forget this:

Flinutus just seems to have been drawn into the bandwagon, however Azure seems to know exactly what he is doing.
And so does Elegy.

This was such a lazy attempt to turn the town against an Otto lynch that its almost laughable. It just sounds like he's whining that the argument against Otto make's too much sense. For this alone, he's about equal with Kamina on my list of scum-partners.

Flintus - He's on the other end of the spectrum, for the moment. He caught on to the basis of my trap against Otto before I'd even posted it, and was the first person to vote for him; absolving him instantly of any 'bandwagoning' claim - and didn't try to back off onto Elegy when things clearly went south for Otto. However - even if I don't believe this myself - I should still point out that, if Otto does actually flip town, then you should consider my position on Flintus reversed assuming I'm dead. Make of that what you will.

Everyone else I'm still in two minds about. Consider yourselves about equal, depending on the outcome of tomorrow.

[Mindmaker]

Mindmaker - I just can't forget this:

Flinutus just seems to have been drawn into the bandwagon, however Azure seems to know exactly what he is doing.
And so does Elegy.

This was the final part, which was supposed to justify my unvote. Nothing more, nothing less.
It's just great how you just take a part of my post, ignoring the rest and try to picture me as an instigator.

This was such a lazy attempt to turn the town against an Otto lynch that its almost laughable. It just sounds like he's whining that the argument against Otto make's too much sense. For this alone, he's about equal with Kamina on my list of scum-partners.

If you would have looked at the upper part of the post, you would have seen that it was an inquiry, about what the others thought about the whole situation.
With all the lurking going on, I thought they too couldn't make heads or tails out of it.

So you think I'm trying to help Ottofar?
You're wrong.
Ever heard of the underdog syndrome?
I would be sceptic, if the situation was the other way round, too.

[Bandages]

Elegy has been banned and needs a replacement.

[KaminaSquirtle]

Kamina - I never trust the fourth/third people on a scum lynch, and since I'm the third and I have an actual agrument, I can only suspect the fourth. In my experience in IRC games, it's more often scum bussig their team mate than anything else. This is highly speculative, of course, and relies on statistical information too heavily to be of much use in an individual game... but I noticed he sat on the fence for quite a while, before he joined the Otto lynch. Almost as if hoping he could pull off a lynch on Elegy instead. He also seemed much more interested in my reasons for lynching Otto than Otto's for lynching Elegy, despite the fact that mine were much clearer.

I sat on the fence because there was talk about bandwagoning, and I didn't want to be accused of that.  So I tried to look for an original argument against Ottofar I could use, so I wouldn't appear to be looking for an easy lynch, I was hoping Ottofar would post something more I could use against him.  But his posts of late have been quite lacking, so I decided what the hell, he's pretty obviously scum.  Should I have held my peace indefinitely?

Remember this is my first game, so I have gotten a much better idea of how things work than I did in the beginning.  I will make sure to do my best to dissect Ottofar's next post, to prove myself.

Elegy has been banned and needs a replacement.

This should help establish whether Elegy was scum or not, as we will get to see the same role being played by different people. 

[Mindmaker]

So I've reread the thread up to the point where Ottofar has got 3 votes on him.

Is it allowed to quote text passages from back then? Or is there a limit of how far back in post history you can go?
Also where the hell can I find out when 11pm EST is supposed to be? Could anyone tell me what this is in GMT?
That's important, as I might ask for an extension, if my questions go by unanswered, by the time the day passes.

So Azure, why did you unvote Elegy, even though his answers were curt, evasive and unfriendly.
After you unvoted him, you suddenly lost all interest in him.
Why is that?

I'd rather not accuse you of anything, before I heard your answer, but given that we are running out of time, I'll do it anyway.
Could it be that this was an elaborate trap of the mafia?
Let me suggest a possibility.

We have scum A and scum B.
Scum B acuses scum A of being scum, which results in scum B acting agressive, tight-lipped and evasive.
Scum A then waits for reactions of the other players.
A townie eagerly points out the flaws in scum Bs answers.
Then a heated argument between scum B and the townie, which makes them both seem suspicious.
This is when scum A enters the scene again and supports scum B in his argument.
Now it's the time for scum B to keep posting to a minimum to escape further suspicion, while scum A takes over his argument.

It's one of many possible scenarios, but it's one we might give a try.

[Toaster]

Elegy is up for replacement.

I have PMed Jetsquirrel (who wanted to join late) and asked him if he wanted to replace in.

11:00:00 p.m. Wednesday October 27, 2010 in US/Eastern converts to 03:00:00 a.m. Thursday October 28, 2010 in GMT, approximately 32 hours and 20 minutes from this post.

[Toaster]

Jetsquirrel has replaced Elegy.

[KaminaSquirtle]

Jetsquirrel:  How do you intend to play differently than Elegy?  How well would you say he played, on a scale of 1-10?  Why?

[Spade]

Jetsquirrel: What do you think of the situation? Do you find anyone suspicious?