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Author Topic: Beginner's Mafia XVII - It all ends in flames...  (Read 57184 times)

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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #165 on: October 23, 2010, 04:39:00 pm »

Flintus, now that Kaminasquirtle has unvoted, you're the only one supporting elegy in his vote.
So what new evidence have you gathered, since you last posted, that would support your accusation?
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #166 on: October 23, 2010, 04:41:07 pm »

You mean I should be more agressive and accuse people over their slightest mistake?

Mindfulness is more important than aggression.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #167 on: October 23, 2010, 04:43:07 pm »

Well I was incorrect, there is still Azure.
However your motivation seems a bit unclear.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #168 on: October 23, 2010, 10:37:44 pm »

Azure, who do you think is telling me what to do?

Bayer, obviously. Y'know, your scum IC? Oh, and if my initial impression of you taking a bit of scum advice too literally wasn't enough -

Push. Always push.

At least until you're sure the player isn't scum, and then some.

 - then you're idea of pushing a player to breaking point to verify their scummitude - a concept far too similar to Bayer's method of play in the last beginner game - cinched it for me. If you're propagating an idea expounded by another player who now happens to be the scum IC, then I'm gonna be pretty bloody suspicious of its origins. >.> Highly speculative, I admit, but coupled with how you've been acting all game it contributes to the slowly mounting pile of evidence that's been gathering against you.

Now, then; moving on to a more interesting post...

Personally, I think defending is a waste of time, but if you so wish.

... O.O

Pahahahahahaa... XD Wow. So you believe in just leaving arguments to fester and gather weight the longer you completely ignore them? Interesting tactic you've got there. Really seems to be working for you so far.

1: Hell no. I'm not stupid. [undefendable without WIFOM]

Heh... XD That read pretty funny.

Anyway, you've just kicked yourself in the teeth with your own defense here. Hell, if you were an idiot, you would at least have some excuse for following up on my weak attack. But if you're refusing that hypothesis, then you're encouraging me to think that you really are scum that fell into a day 1 trap and don't like it one bit. Smooth, dude.

2: To push, to get a reaction, which I then found scummy. He panicked, look at my previous post.

No, he hadn't panicked. He got annoyed, and appears to be getting progressively more annoyed as the game continues; primarily due to your own pathetic attempts to declare him scum when the evidence mounted against him is decisively less than that gathered against you, even if we exclude the fact that you fell into my gambit. I also find it interesting that you took this moment to completely ignore my point that you're being far, far too curt in your answers. I take it that's another one of those thigs there's no point in defending, eh? >.>

3: Who is giving advice, and why would I be posting this much, when I could be lurking. [WIFOM again]

Already answered the first part of this. As for the latter... well, that's true. That is a WIFOM question. However, you're attempting to divert the conversation away from what I was talking about. I was pointing out the fact that your answers to most everything thus far has been exceedingly short. Single sentence, in most instances, which I have always found distasteful and disruptive to town affairs in IRC games. It prevents town from gathering the information it sorely needs from every player, and allows scum to blend in uite easily.

However, while you have been active - having responded to every question in a timely manner - you have nonetheless refused to go beyond muttering much more than one sentence, more often than not. That simply isn't a townie attitude.

4:I see no need to tunnel, and usefulness is relative.

Now you're conflicting with our own advice. You're telling other people to pressure constantly until they have an answer, and then avoid doing exactly that. So, to put it into layman's terms, you're acting in the exact opposite way that you propose regular town should act. The only time you changed your tune was when I set up a potential bandwagon on Elegy, which - in turn - fell flat on its face.

Whoops. >.>

5: And here would belong the meta argument.

Oh, shut up. You haven't refuted a damn thing I've said, and only made yourself look even more scummy in the process.

long post is looooooooooong... wow, Glenfiddich is fierce. The Scots know their whiskey, even if they're a dour, unclouth lot I can't stand to speak with because I find them incomprehensible...

Oh, also:

Well I was incorrect, there is still Azure.

Still me what? What'chu talkin' 'bout?
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #169 on: October 23, 2010, 10:46:30 pm »

Still me what? What'chu talkin' 'bout?
Only you and Flintus still supporting Elegy in his vote against Ottofar.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #170 on: October 23, 2010, 10:50:38 pm »

KS, why so interested in making it look like I'm leading a bandwagon?
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #171 on: October 23, 2010, 10:52:55 pm »

Ahh, right. You're wrong, though; I'm not supporting anyone in this lynch. I'm voting for Otto for my own reasons, not for Elegy's. Can't answer for Flintus, though. I wasn't even aware he was voting for Otto. >.>
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #172 on: October 23, 2010, 10:58:31 pm »

KS, why so interested in making it look like I'm leading a bandwagon?
Ahh, right. You're wrong, though; I'm not supporting anyone in this lynch. I'm voting for Otto for my own reasons, not for Elegy's. Can't answer for Flintus, though. I wasn't even aware he was voting for Otto. >.>
Just saying what he said.  It doesn't reflect my views.  He's the one who used the word 'support'.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #173 on: October 23, 2010, 11:00:48 pm »

Ragnarok has cast his vote, yet said almost nothing. Also said nothing to protect himself. My question, even though stupid it may be, went unanswered. Though Ragnarok still looks more newbie-townish than scummish to me.
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #174 on: October 23, 2010, 11:02:52 pm »

Ah, kk. I just caught my name in a post and wondered what he was on about. >.>
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #175 on: October 24, 2010, 02:41:35 am »

Azure, point me to a game, where I have answered more thoroughly

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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #176 on: October 24, 2010, 02:45:26 am »

Flintus, now that Kaminasquirtle has unvoted, you're the only one supporting elegy in his vote.
So what new evidence have you gathered, since you last posted, that would support your accusation?

I see very little real evidence as Ottofar has yet to post too much substance I do know for certain he still has not provided evidence that gives any reason for him to have been initially suspicious of elegy and his only excuse was essentially that he agreed with Azure's points and what do you know it turns out they were not based on anything either so Ottofar has essentially just voted for Elegy because someone else was.

I am almost certain that Ottofar is scum.

Also he is yet to come up with a reasonable defence for his actions and is instead just trying to shift suspicion onto Elegy
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #177 on: October 24, 2010, 08:12:00 am »

Azure, point me to a game, where I have answered more thoroughly

Fair point, then; so you're okay with making a habit of using a playing style that's detrimental to the town. Sure thing, bro.

You still haven't adequately explained why you tried to initially lynch Elegy (beyond using my own fabricated reasons), nor have you explained why you play in a completely different way from the method you recommended to Mindmaker. Nor why you still insist on lynching Elegy despite having nothing to go on. The fact that you actually tried to get him lynched on nothing more than a 'gut feeling' is just plain laughable.  Try harder, scum.
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« Reply #178 on: October 24, 2010, 11:59:30 am »

Vote Count:

ragnarok97071: {1} Spade
Flintus10: {1} Mindmaker
Mindmaker: {0}
Elegy: {1} Ottofar
Ottofar: {3} Flintus10, Elegy, Azure Sepulchre
KaminaSquirtle: {0}
Spade: {0}
Azure Sepulchre: {0}
Murphy: {1} ragnarok97071

Not Voting: Murphy, KaminaSquirtle

Day 1 ends Wednesday 10/27 11 PM EST
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Re: Beginner's Mafia XVII - Day One: The Mafia of Tewby Vale
« Reply #179 on: October 24, 2010, 12:23:14 pm »

Azure, point me to a game, where I have answered more thoroughly

Fair point, then; so you're okay with making a habit of using a playing style that's detrimental to the town. Sure thing, bro.

You still haven't adequately explained why you tried to initially lynch Elegy (beyond using my own fabricated reasons), nor have you explained why you play in a completely different way from the method you recommended to Mindmaker. Nor why you still insist on lynching Elegy despite having nothing to go on. The fact that you actually tried to get him lynched on nothing more than a 'gut feeling' is just plain laughable.  Try harder, scum.

Yeah. I'm gonna hang today, concencrate on someone else. By lynching me, you'll be one step closer to LyLo.

I at first pushed him, with your argument. He reacted, and the reaction occurred for me as uncomfortable, and for you as annoyed1. I then proceeded to push, and you revealed your gambit. This is where I find Elegy's posts gain more confidence, as he doesn't seem to get lynched today, and less people suspect him.

1, you're not defending him, are you?

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