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[KaminaSquirtle]

I think we may need another extension, we're not getting anywhere.

We have a lot of speculation going on here, but we need some solid tells in order to make a decision that won't lose the game.

Agree.

There was a lot of speculation about Azure on my part, and Native did some too. None of it went further than just speculation, so if Azure is indeed scum, then he is being very, very good at it - no slips and an extremely helpful outlook for the town. Anyone know if he's really that much experienced? For now, unless a good objection is made, I'll consider him town.

Let me check the games he's played in.  I may have an idea.

And I think a reason this game is stalling is that Azure hasn't posted his thoughts recently.  It doesn't feel right without him chiming in with his opinions.  I can't help but feel he's having ideas and not telling us them.

Hell, we're not getting anywhere at this rate, there's WAY too little pressure here for it to be LYLO.  Time to heat things up.
Flintus, tell me why you're not scum, and why I should remove this vote.

[Flintus10]

So if Azure is indeed scum, then he is being very, very good at it - no slips and an extremely helpful outlook for the town.

I agree wholeheartedly with this the biggest problem of course being if anyone could play the whole game as mafia and get through it without any obvious slips it would probably be Azure. Although out of all his votes so far Azure hasn’t actually started a single one except against Ragnarok which was for lurking and not likely to turn up as a lynch, not that that is overly scummy.

And I looked through to see anything between him and Ragnarok but turned up nothing. They didn’t specifically look like they had distanced themselves on purpose and neither did they look to close. Ragnarok was definitely online a lot more often than he posted and seemed to be actively lurking which is a lot like I played when I was first scum but of course we are different people. What do you guys think Active lurking scum or just uninterested town?

Either way I would really like to see azure post his thoughts.

sorry for not doing stuff, stuff happened. Nothing to say, really. Sad that we're not doing so well.

Although this post made on day two right after we screwed up on Ottofar and lost Kamina Mark I  makes me think Ragnarok was either the worst townie ever or actively lurking scum just desperately trying to post anything. Most of Ragnarok's other posts were just excuses as to why he wasn't playing...If he really was a uninterested townie who didn't care about our cause this makes me wonder why he seemed to still want to stay alive and in the game.

Flintus, tell me why you're not scum, and why I should remove this vote.

Simple answer is of course because if I die we lose the game. So far this day nobody has been helpful and instead of just forcing posts by voting why don’t you go back through a couple of days and see what you can find Kamina. We have to actually work together to get evidence seeing as it’s day 3 and we really have barely any idea. 

[KaminaSquirtle]

So if Azure is indeed scum, then he is being very, very good at it - no slips and an extremely helpful outlook for the town.

I agree wholeheartedly with this the biggest problem of course being if anyone could play the whole game as mafia and get through it without any obvious slips it would probably be Azure. Although out of all his votes so far Azure hasn’t actually started a single one except against Ragnarok which was for lurking and not likely to turn up as a lynch, not that that is overly scummy.

And I looked through to see anything between him and Ragnarok but turned up nothing. They didn’t specifically look like they had distanced themselves on purpose and neither did they look to close. Ragnarok was definitely online a lot more often than he posted and seemed to be actively lurking which is a lot like I played when I was first scum but of course we are different people. What do you guys think Active lurking scum or just uninterested town?

Either way I would really like to see azure post his thoughts.

Agree with 1st paragraph.  He hasn't really started anything, just backed stuff up.  Please provide examples if you disagree, Azure.

Well, to me it looked like rag was bad town, I mean he did he play at all?  I'm just kind of mad he didn't get a replacement earlier.  He would have to be seriously dishonest to use all those real life excuses to hide a scumlurk.  That doesn't seem to mesh with what I've seen of his personality.  I think he was online but not reading this.  I think he's more of an upper forumer.  Could have been scum, but I don't think so.

I would also really like to hear Azure's thoughts.  He's been silent for far too long.

Either way I would really like to see azure post his thoughts.

sorry for not doing stuff, stuff happened. Nothing to say, really. Sad that we're not doing so well.

Although this post made on day two right after we screwed up on Ottofar and lost Kamina Mark I  makes me think Ragnarok was either the worst townie ever or actively lurking scum just desperately trying to post anything. Most of Ragnarok's other posts were just excuses as to why he wasn't playing...If he really was a uninterested townie who didn't care about our cause this makes me wonder why he seemed to still want to stay alive and in the game.

Where did he defend himself enough to show he wanted to keep playing?  He didn't even defend himself IIRC.  Please point out where he did.

Flintus, tell me why you're not scum, and why I should remove this vote.

Simple answer is of course because if I die we lose the game. So far this day nobody has been helpful and instead of just forcing posts by voting why don’t you go back through a couple of days and see what you can find Kamina. We have to actually work together to get evidence seeing as it’s day 3 and we really have barely any idea. 

Just because I voted you doesn't mean I don't want to work with you.  And that's a very weak argument.  I don't intend to lynch you, not yet anyways.
Let me rephrase the question: please show some examples of scumhunting on your part.  I just want to see how you defend yourself.  That's different than going back and seeing what you did.  I'll remove my vote when you answer the question, unless your answer screams scum or something.
I need to force posts because we keep stalling without them.  They can provide invaluable information too.
I intend to go back and look for evidence too.  But first I'm going to see how Azure normally plays by digging through some of his past games.

[KaminaSquirtle]

I've found a good game to observe, if anyone else wants to see Azure play scum.  BM XVI.
I haven't read it yet, but it should be very enlightening.

[Flintus10]

Where did he defend himself enough to show he wanted to keep playing?  He didn't even defend himself IIRC.  Please point out where he did.

My point was if he didn't care I don't know why about half his posts were just excuses. \

I apologise for not posting much, got a lot of things going on right now, and in any case, I try not to put something up unless It is important. not a very good strategy for Mafia, I guess. anyway, I think that a vote at this point in the game would be founded more on random suspicion than any reasoned deduction of who is actually on the scumteam. Really, I think we'd be better off waiting untill we have some evidence to lynch anyone. right now, we have random guesswork, decently laid traps, and mob mentality to discern the scum. from this turns effects, we may be able to deduce, from who is killed, and what their suspicions were, who is likely to need lynching. on that note, I guess...
unvote

Well, he's got a point Elegy, you seem kind of suspicious.

However before I cast a vote I'd like to see a bit more mor kamina squirtle and ragnarok.
They're being very quiet.

So, Ragnarok, what's up with all this lurking?

I went to sleep, pretty much right after that last post of mine, and then about a page of stuff got posted overnight...

Well, actually, I just don't post much ever. Really, there is usually not much that I can think of something to say to. also, I have most of my day taken up by either school or sleeping, as well as other things I do with my family. I usually post when I can. I am NOT going to wake up early just so I can play this game, and it's pretty much impossible for me to stay up past 10:00 EST (In high school, so I have a curfew), so I have 7 and a half hours in which I can do stuff, minus a half for walking home, minus a half for dinner, minus others from when I just don't check (about 2 hours in full), and for today, minus a bunch for going out to dinner and playing Magic the Gathering with my bro. I show up as online a lot because I usually leave a tab open on the "Unread Replies" page when I leave. I have things that I am obligated to do outside of this thread, guys, and to be honest, this actually doesn't rate too high on my priorities right now, mostly because of all of the hate I seem to be catching (yes I am aware that most of that is because I don't post here much, thus making it a vicious cycle), though I know that this is so that you can semi-reliably find the people who need to die (in game). Hell, if all goes well, I may not be able to get on during any time but the weekends, as I am trying to find a part-time job. I was unaware that I needed approval in triplicate in order to have a life away from this game. Also I play dwarf fortress, and it tends to hold me for a few hours at a time.

sorry for not doing stuff, stuff happened. Nothing to say, really. Sad that we're not doing so well.

Let me rephrase the question: please show some examples of scumhunting on your part.  I just want to see how you defend yourself.  That's different than going back and seeing what you did.  I'll remove my vote when you answer the question, unless your answer screams scum or something.

This is oh so easily something that would be answered better if you went back and looked into what I have done. Everything against Mindmaker was an attempt to scum-hunt. Day one I tried to have spade (/you) try to participate and got nowhere. I tried to get Jet to actually provide some freaking evidence and he did not. People just seemed to stop answering alot of my questions by day two and so I couldn’t get anywhere.

But seriously it would be better for both of us if you just looked back through what I have posted so far and made your own opinion because honestly I think you are just asking what Zatharas asked you in Paranormal and am not totally sure if you even know what answers you are looking for.

I’d seriously be happy to justify any of my actions to help assert that I am town but you are gona have to give me specific actions that need justification (find quote ask how I intended  it to benifit town ect ect). I mean I was almost positive Ottofar was scum and do not know how Jet wasn’t and pretty much everyone else made those same mistakes.

Still I am at least glad things seem to be moving again I just wish the others would get in here and start posting .

[Flintus10]

I've found a good game to observe, if anyone else wants to see Azure play scum.  BM XVI.
I haven't read it yet, but it should be very enlightening.

Reading now, and I think if we had looked at this earlier we would have realised Jet is just bad at town

[Flintus10]

Well in that game nobody could get a good read on Azure as scum either  And while his playstyle was quite similar to this game it ended to early for me to get anything really.

Though I notice that he once again he wasn't the first to vote against Jet who was lynched on day one.

[KaminaSquirtle]

Where did he defend himself enough to show he wanted to keep playing?  He didn't even defend himself IIRC.  Please point out where he did.

My point was if he didn't care I don't know why about half his posts were just excuses. \

You may have something there, but to me it just seemed like he felt obligated to explain why he wasn't posted.  He eventually realized he wasn't playing, and decided to give up his position to Native.

Speaking of Native, I'd like to hear more from him.  We could use as much material as we can get on him, as he joined so late.

Let me rephrase the question: please show some examples of scumhunting on your part.  I just want to see how you defend yourself.  That's different than going back and seeing what you did.  I'll remove my vote when you answer the question, unless your answer screams scum or something.

This is oh so easily something that would be answered better if you went back and looked into what I have done. Everything against Mindmaker was an attempt to scum-hunt. Day one I tried to have spade (/you) try to participate and got nowhere. I tried to get Jet to actually provide some freaking evidence and he did not. People just seemed to stop answering alot of my questions by day two and so I couldn’t get anywhere.

But seriously it would be better for both of us if you just looked back through what I have posted so far and made your own opinion because honestly I think you are just asking what Zatharas asked you in Paranormal and am not totally sure if you even know what answers you are looking for.

I’d seriously be happy to justify any of my actions to help assert that I am town but you are gona have to give me specific actions that need justification (find quote ask how I intended  it to benifit town ect ect). I mean I was almost positive Ottofar was scum and do not know how Jet wasn’t and pretty much everyone else made those same mistakes.

Still I am at least glad things seem to be moving again I just wish the others would get in here and start posting .

I guess you're right.  The point of the question was to get some content-filled posts rolling.  I think we can say it worked.  You also seem to me to be town at this point.
Unvote.
And yes, I did steal it from Zathras.  I figured it would be a good question to get things rolling again.

Now I want something more form Azure.  He's gone too long without posting content.
Azure, post some content and the vote goes away, as long as it isn't scummy.
Yes I want you to post that bad.

I've found a good game to observe, if anyone else wants to see Azure play scum.  BM XVI.
I haven't read it yet, but it should be very enlightening.

Reading now, and I think if we had looked at this earlier we would have realised Jet is just bad at mafia

Fixed that for you.  See sorcerer's apprentice mafia to see scum Jet.  He sucks just as bad at scum as town.
Honestly I'm glad he isn't here.  He would screw us over at LYLO.  Can you honestly say we wouldn't end up voting him?

Well in that game nobody could get a good read on Azure as scum either  And while his playstyle was quite similar to this game it ended to early for me to get anything really.

Though I notice that he once again he wasn't the first to vote against Jet who was lynched on day one.

I'm about halfway through that game, and only USEC seemed to have him.
He seems hard to lynch, at the very least.
I want to see his next post.

[Murphy]

I'm reading that game too. Just give me a few hours from now to take care of some errands and read it fully.

Afair, Azure had claimed to be frustrated from screwed wall-o-text.
We don't have the luxury of having time to slack, so fight your frustration, Azure, fight it!

[Toaster]

Azure has not logged in to the forum at all in over 48 hours.  He may have had an attack of the RL.

Knowing this, we may need a replacement, though I hate for that to happen this late in the game.

[KaminaSquirtle]

I'm reading that game too. Just give me a few hours from now to take care of some errands and read it fully.

Afair, Azure had claimed to be frustrated from screwed wall-o-text.
We don't have the luxury of having time to slack, so fight your frustration, Azure, fight it!

He posted that over 60 hours ago.  Surely you have something by now, Azure?  If your wall of text isn't done yet, please post what you have so far so we at least have something to talk about.

Wait, 60 hours?  Please prod Azure.  He needs to get back here.

Ninjad by mod.

[NativeForeigner]

It's becoming increasingly apparent that my predecessor was a major lurker. -_-
I can't say much in defense of his lurking because I'm not him. His constant excuses could have just been an attempt to keep himself from being replaced in the hopes of being able to post soon, but I don't know.

I'm reading through the other game to get an idea of how Azure plays. I'll post some more once I have some thoughts.

[KaminaSquirtle]

i vote for Usec

When you make yourself suspicious and then want to be voted for.... i will vote for you

as somewhere i red that people who make themselves suspicious in order to make confusion, you just vote for them.
(I red that somewhere in wizard duel 4)

This is golden.  You could make a joke book out of this guy.  He's like the Realmfighter of mafia.

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

NativeForeigner: {0}
Flintus10: {0}
KaminaSquirtle: {0}
Azure Sepulchre: {1} KaminaSquirtle
Murphy: {0}

Not Voting: NativeForeigner, Flintus10, Azure Sepulchre, Murphy

Azure Sepulchre is lost and presumed dead, so we must ask for another replacement.  The day won't end until at least 24 hours after one is found, so the day is extended until at least Monday.

[KaminaSquirtle]

Well, if he's gone I might as well unvote.
No reason to hit the replacement with a vote the second he steps in here.

*Sigh*  So many replacements...