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[Thorfinn]

And, no, by shelling cities, I mean not Putin but the periodic shells the Ukrainian "paramilitaries" have been lobbing into Luhansk and Donetsk over the last 8 years. Y'know, after Obama engineered a coup in Kiev in 2014.

Obama didn't engineer a fucking coup.

I'm sure that comes as a surprise to the likes of Victoria Nuland, who thinks that and even testified that she managed the changeover, including which people were selected for which posts after Maidan, Robert Kagan, who put the money and propaganda into it, and, heck, all the rest of our neocons, who believed they were setting up a vassal state. Which, coincidentally...

Now I doubt our little Vicky was anywhere near as influential as she thinks. She's just not bright enough to realize she was a puppet.

Regardless, you do agree that eastern Ukraine desired closer ties with Russia, and western Ukraine with the EU, right?

[Lord Shonus]

I'm sure that comes as a surprise to the likes of Victoria Nuland, who thinks that and even testified that she managed the changeover, including which people were selected for which posts after Maidan, Robert Kagan, who put the money and propaganda into it, and, heck, all the rest of our neocons, who believed they were setting up a vassal state. Which, coincidentally...

Now I doubt our little Vicky was anywhere near as influential as she thinks. She's just not bright enough to realize she was a puppet.

Don't know what the hell you've been reading, but Nuland and Pyatt did, in fact, have a long phone call discussing how to manage the aftermath of the change in power - there's no evidence at all that this involved discussions with the Ukrainian government and commands to put this or that person in a given slot. This is because Pyatt was the United States Ambassador to Ukraine, and identifying who the new people were going to be is a key part of their goddamn job. There was also discussion of whether the United Nations or the European Union would be a better outside advisor to forming the new government. Later on, after Russia sparked their semi-clandestine invasion, Nuland coordinated aid and advised Ukraine to start serious crackdowns on corruption. This was specifically because the new government issued specific "help us get this mess under control" requests. The new government was not a puppet in any way, shape, or form. But Russian propaganda has been strongly pushing that narrative in the hope that Useful Idiots will hamper attempts to block opposition to Russian empire building.

Robert Kagan is a neoconservative scholar that would have been extremely unlikely to aid the Obama administration (he was a hardline Republican until 2016, when he switched parties due to Trump) in any way, and does not appear to have taken any position on the issue at all.

Regardless, you do agree that eastern Ukraine desired closer ties with Russia, and western Ukraine with the EU, right?

First, that's irrelevant. The country as a whole - not individual regions - makes the decisions, and the populace was overwhelmingly in favor of seeking closer relations with the EU.

Second, there was no talk of reducing ties with Russia - linking with the EU was intended to give a wider network, not a replacement. Putin didn't like it because he wanted Ukraine to be a helpless supplicant totally dependent on Russia.

Third, there's a very real chance it isn't accurate. Most of the "Eastern Ukraine really loves Russia!!" polling comes from after Putin pulled the oldest trick in the book and flooded it with Little Green Men.

[Thorfinn]

OK.

[Frumple]

... man, they put Lone Digger in a Disney movie.

Like, on its own that's not that big of a deal (the song slaps hard, the scene in Strange World is cute, kudos to Caravan Palace for getting their stuff in a major-ish film), but the wtf comes from the song's official animated music video: It takes place in a anthro strip club and goes from there to alcohol and ultraviolence, ending with bodies all over the place while a barely clothed busty antelope finishes their routine while covered in blood.

It's impressive Disney chose to put a song associated with that in one of their animated movies, heh, 'cause there's probably going to be some surprised people when they go and look it up.

[Rolan7]

It's a fantastic video, but I just had a thought- the cats are drinking milk, right?
I never thought twice about that before, but...

[Egan_BW]

Good video, good song.

[Frumple]

It's a fantastic video, but I just had a thought- the cats are drinking milk, right?
I never thought twice about that before, but...

The cats are drinking shots of something milk colored, at least, that's served in something that looks like a old-timey milk bottle (context being what it is, it could easily be a themed white russian or somethin' along those lines) -- the dogs are absolutely drinking something more traditionally booze colored and the donkey/dude has something very strongly implied to be alcoholic by the other video they're in.

But yeah, the cats are 100% drinking something that's supposed to look like milk. It adds an extra layer to the whole thing, what with how cats are lactose intolerant :V

[Il Palazzo]

Maybe it's milk-plus Alex and his droogs were drinking. Seems to have similar effect too.

[hector13]

Wasn’t that just spiked milk?

[Great Order]

I've been fucking around with chat AIs, and they're scarily good. I remember the days of cleverbot where it'd go off on random non-sequiturs and such. Now you're able to hold a proper philosophical argument with them, and while they aren't thinking and are just drawing on what others have said, they can do so to such a degree that they'll actually debate your points.

It's really cool, but it makes me wonder what the hell they'll be used for. They get good enough and I can see them being made into some sort of Halo-esque "Logic Plague"

[Putnam]

People keep asking me about whether it's hard to work with DF's code. I... actually don't know why? I think people have this misapprehension about what makes code difficult to understand, or something? Codebases made by one (1) programmer are the least likely to be a problem.

Or I'm some sort of terrifying prodigy, who knows. I think the "codebase that is maybe a little crusty but since it's consistent the crust is something you can acclimate to in hours rather than weeks or months" makes more sense as an explanation?

Like, look at something like Cataclysm DDA or, even worse, SS13, and you'll find a horrid hodgepodge of clashing Opinions on code with the consistency only in style because it's enforced by the CI (in CDDA's case lol). With DF I see one guy's Opinions, which I can just sort of pick up as soon as I see them?

[Frumple]

DF's codebase is memetically terrible -- it's been half joke and half misapprehension for... years, now, something that's been exaggerated by, well, most people not being able to see it, just the bugs that originate from it. That doesn't mean it's actually terrible, just that it has a reputation for it, heh. You're being asked if it's hard to joust a giant by folks unaware it's more a kinda' old windmill.

[MaxTheFox]

And, no, by shelling cities, I mean not Putin but the periodic shells the Ukrainian "paramilitaries" have been lobbing into Luhansk and Donetsk over the last 8 years. Y'know, after Obama engineered a coup in Kiev in 2014.

Obama didn't engineer a fucking coup. That's a straight-up lie - the President of the time sparked massive protests by illegally refusing to follow the decisions of the elected parliament (which, due to large public support, wanted to improve economic ties with the EU in order to seek eventual membership) in order to obey Putin's orders (which was that Ukraine was a vassal state of Russia that doesn't have the right to conduct their own diplomacy). This lead to the death of dozens of protestors and the Ukrainian Parliament forced the President to resign. Putin declared this a coup because his lapdog was no longer obeying his orders.

There has been shelling in those regions - because there's been a fucking civil war going after Putin flooded the areas with "separatists" in an attempt to give him a fig leaf to steal large parts of the country. You know, as a prelude to his "There is no such thing as a Ukrainian" war of extermination against the entire country.

But you see, TEH EVIL AMERIKA is responsible for everything!!!111!1!!1!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eric Blank]

Putnam you are a terrifying coding prodigy from our perspective. Especially from how much you accomplished without access to the source code.

[King Zultan]

But you see, TEH EVIL AMERIKA is responsible for everything!!!111!1!!1!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn them mericans, doing all those things and such!
*shakes fist*