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[TamerVirus]

Ah yes because high society buys their drugs in a alleyway, and every dealer has direct ties to don corleone.

Please, advice me on where high society buys their ethical cocaine. Oh they still buy it from people who get it from Colombia? You don't say.

It turns out they just ask Jeeves and cocaine appears sometime later

[brewer bob]

(Also, I couldn't care less even if the PM would've taken some drugs, which I don't believe is the case.)

Jokes aside, that is a really awful opinion. I want my politicians as sober and not indebted to organised crime as possible, please.

Thing is, people like being intoxicated/inebriated, no matter whether it's a "good" or "bad" (or illegal) thing. I'm willing to bet that most of the market for drugs is among regular working people (I know only a few people who claim they have never taken any kind of illegal substance in their lives). As long as it doesn't affect their ability to do their job/live their lives "properly", I don't see any problem.

Of course, organized crime is another thing entirely, and I agree with you on that one.

But that could be (somewhat) taken care of with some kind of sensible drug policies - prohibition clearly doesn't work and just causes more problems.

Ah yes because high society buys their drugs in a alleyway, and every dealer has direct ties to don corleone.

Yup. Plenty of dealers are not really tied to traditional organized crime these days. Especially with pot it's often "homegrown", and the chemicals people order from the net are not necessarily made in some mafia (or whatever) labs.

That said, I'm not really pro-drugs, but I'd like to see drug policies shift in a sensible direction and not something based on the hysteria of the 80s & 90s, which causes way more problems than it solves, imho.

[EuchreJack]

Speaking of alcohol, Japan is worried it's youth aren't drinking enough.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/18/asia/japan-tax-alcohol-competition-intl-hnk/index.html

[Rolan7]

Speaking of alcohol, Japan is worried it's youth aren't drinking enough.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/18/asia/japan-tax-alcohol-competition-intl-hnk/index.html

First they mock our avocado toast, then blame us for the avocado surplus, and now this??

[dragdeler]

you send your personal assistant, and if he gets caught, you know nothing and leave him in the dirt

just how hard you would have to fuck that up to be able to be blackmailed is unclear to me

unless the blackmailing pertains to ruining reputations in which case the snake is really biting it's tail isn't it



just please it's a trope that band tour busses have their supplier and none of the band members dirties their hand so they dont have to cancel concerts... now take the scandal for example where they found coke in the bundestag toilets... honestly more reasonable to assume they order together over lunch, than them sneaking around with little plastic balls


also coke is one of the rares that cannot be synthesized and it's a difficult plant, like any other example the ethically sourced snark doesn't even hold water

[TamerVirus]

Speaking of alcohol, Japan is worried it's youth aren't drinking enough.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/18/asia/japan-tax-alcohol-competition-intl-hnk/index.html

Perhaps Japan should import some peoples known for alcohol consumption.

[JoshuaFH]

Speaking of alcohol, Japan is worried it's youth aren't drinking enough.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/18/asia/japan-tax-alcohol-competition-intl-hnk/index.html

Just judging from the number of YouTube documentaries I've watched on Japan, it is in seriously dire straits. Getting the young people to drink might be a delusional attempt at fighting its rapid aging problem; like, they're trying to say "Please, young people, please please please stop holing yourselves up in your homes, stop avoiding eachother, go out and start partying, have sex, make babies, I don't care how you do it, Japan needs more kids. But of course, be sure to keep up your toxic social obligations, and stay at your toxic job that overworks you to death, cause we aren't going to change that."

Just from what I know, even though drinking is so baked into Japanese culture, the younger Japanese population has a lot of reason to despise the older generation that created them, and even if they had the money to indulge (which they don't) they'd probably rebel against the rampant alcoholism which is so stereotypical of the older Japanese population anyway.

Speaking of alcohol, Japan is worried it's youth aren't drinking enough.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/08/18/asia/japan-tax-alcohol-competition-intl-hnk/index.html

Perhaps Japan should import some peoples known for alcohol consumption.

Despite it's many problems, the one thing that Japan earnestly wants to avoid at all costs is increasing immigration. It would seriously help their failing economy and declining population, but they just don't want foreigners moving in and being accepted as Japanese.

[scriver]

you send your personal assistant, and if he gets caught, you know nothing and leave him in the dirt

just how hard you would have to fuck that up to be able to be blackmailed is unclear to me

unless the blackmailing pertains to ruining reputations in which case the snake is really biting it's tail isn't it



just please it's a trope that band tour busses have their supplier and none of the band members dirties their hand so they dont have to cancel concerts... now take the scandal for example where they found coke in the bundestag toilets... honestly more reasonable to assume they order together over lunch, than them sneaking around with little plastic balls


also coke is one of the rares that cannot be synthesized and it's a difficult plant, like any other example the ethically sourced snark doesn't even hold water

Do you not understand that it's the same drugs regardless of how many in-between assistants there is? And that no matter the amount of middlemen, the money still end up in the hands of very bas people?

Ah yes because high society buys their drugs in a alleyway, and every dealer has direct ties to don corleone.

Yup. Plenty of dealers are not really tied to traditional organized crime these days. Especially with pot it's often "homegrown", and the chemicals people order from the net are not necessarily made in some mafia (or whatever) labs.

You're fooling yourself if you think anyone producing enough anything to sell isn't connected to organised crime.

[dragdeler]

That is only a near certitude in the case of cocaine.

[dragdeler]

Even then... there is ways that spring to mind... I am absolutely fascinated by drugs and let me tell you, back when I was like 15, just by googling, I stumbled on a site where I could have ordered 1kg of fluorotropanecocaine in china, for about 4k, it was actually way cheaper than the synthetic cannabinoids I was "researching". The stuff is a way more potent local anesthesiant, find something suitable to cut it up so people don't kill themselves and who will know the difference?


There you have it: "cocaine" not sourced from that particular region in southamerica that is under the thumb of organised crime. Granted the factory owner who sold shit like that in the mid naughts is certainly of dubious ethics, and possibly linked to organised crime... All I'm trying to say is don't accuse me of lacking imagination  .

[brewer bob]

You're fooling yourself if you think anyone producing enough anything to sell isn't connected to organised crime.

No, I'm not. You'd be surprised how many people grow weed at home and sell it to get some extra income. But sure, when it comes to real big quantities and money, then it's bound to have connections to organized crime one way or the other - I'm not denying that (also depends on the drug in question). Much (most?) of drug abuse is also related to prescription drugs, which there's quite an abundance of on the streets.

ps. Also, what counts as organized crime in this context? Is it like something from the movies, biker gangs or what? It's not like organized crime is just one monolithic entity.

[dragdeler]

I'd say the strict definition is at least two people coordinating themselves to break the law in order to profit. But that also opens the door to considering all sorts of businesses and conglomerates as organised crime, something I'm quite content to leave standing as such in my worldview  ... Leads to all sorts of "based" analysis lol.

What I'm trying to take a stand against: since the substances are illegal isn't any plurality handling them "organised crime" by definition, no matter the intent? Sure sure we all know the mafia "when we see it", and nobody likes that stuff, no argument there. But you see where I'm getting at? because I'm having troubles putting it into words like... all the horifying abscesses of drug cartels etc are and extension and manifestation of capitalistic logic, and not of the drug. It's when a real demand, people willing to enrich themselves, and a legal barrier meet, that knees are gonna broken at 2am in the open street, else it's just a product in a shelf. But those "horifying abscesses" I mentionned, they all get projected onto the substances, and by transitive property to anybody handling them, and I think that's sillysauce.

Whatever I.. Those few rambling lines took me too long. I'm sad to notice I jumped at this discussion again, because I was at work. Like I was really mad about it, that's sillysauce too.

[Kagus]

Honestly, I'd much rather have a politician who openly parties and gets drunk than one who lies about partying and getting drunk.

[hector13]

Speaking of politicians lying, Australia had/have an interesting little controversy over the former PM secretly assigning himself not one, not two, but five other ministerial portfolios last year, citing worries over Covid.

Because obviously when you put in safety nets, they need to be secret safety nets oh wait those are spider webs..

Unsurprisingly he’s doubling down on this big time, saying he did nothing wrong and essentially that because nobody else has been PM in a crisis they don’t understand so aren’t allowed an opinion on the matter. I imagine he’s saying that because I don’t think anyone has a positive opinion on him secretly centralizing power.

[King Zultan]

avocado toast

I still don't get why people like that stuff, I mean avocados are nasty.