LMAO okay, I bet you use the word muso-- oh wait, holy shit, you actually did-- and play in a pub rock/touhou covers band or some shit.
So, it's clear that you have no clue what I mean by scene,
I totally know what you mean by "scene", come on stop with the stupid touhou/japanese stuff, that's nothing to do with who I am or what I do. Hardcore punk and oi/street punk is my background. You can switch to mocking me for that for being a lame oldschooler who isn't getting with the times if you want.
If you're going to mock the abbreviation "muso" then you should equally be ashamed to use the word "scene". Actually, it's not comparable. "muso" is just common parlance in Australian slang, about 90% of the country would use that. So, I used a normal-person word so I'm clearly "not in the scene" - and I'm supposed to interpret that any way except as hipster bullshit?
The idea of "scenes" is incredibly old fashioned, and the idea of singular scenes is very reductionist, which seems to by why you keep trying to
label me as being one thing. I'm involved in dozens of overlapping interests multiple music fandoms including punk, psychobilly, ska, hardcore etc.
"scenes" are also bullshit and riddled with elitism, our scene is better than their scene. That's why I used the dismissing "pop music". It's not literal, it was a barb aimed at taking down the "scene" elitists, by labeling the stuff they like the most with the label they like the least. Of course I didn't literally mean "pop music" it was sarcasm, in response to YOU saying that those wizards/dragons type metal bands are ultimately silly so they shouldn't get involved in politics. I labelled them "pop" mainly because you yourself were dismissing them as having any meaning to their music, after saying that music was this hallowed thing where politics shouldn't enter into it. Saying that "I" call them "pop music" because I don't know the genres of music is being deliberately obtuse.
There's a prevalent and toxic attitude, which you'll find in punk, metal, and many other fandoms, that our "scene" makes us actually superior people to the other "scenes" such as those pop music people. Getting over that attitude is an important metric of personal growth. Using the term "pop music" was to make the point that ultimately, many people think they're superior due to the music they listen to (or whatever hobby/scene they happen to be part of) but ultimately that superiority is illusory: tell me which music scene isn't already co-opted by consumerism? The whole thing where you basically got irritated that I
used the term "pop music" makes this point - you clearly see that as inferior music, and your scene's people are superior to those who like that lesser music. Being upset that it's referred to as pop/popular music is hipsterism basically: not many people actually like XYZ type of music so the people who do, well they're clearly above the common herd who like "pop". Despite the fact that much of metal for example is top-selling popular music often bought by brick-stupid teenagers, over the decades (see Slipknot), and that something might be unpopular due to actually sucking and the few people who like it just have terrible taste: after all the stuff that most Slipknot fans would dismiss as "crap" is supposedly the good stuff.
As for the thing about band being on the internet, and "how is a fan meant to reconcile ...". Well, they're not. In the old days, it would be in interviews, comments at a concert, stuff printed in NME or other music magazines. Now, it's online. Unless they're literally playing character in a charade, who someone is is actually exposed. So, people have a problem separating what is basically the fiction of the band - the songs, lyrics, stage performance etc, from
who those people actually are. Well, ultimately it is in fact a fiction. They can't be both the "real deal" and living a fiction at the same time. It's like being upset that Viggo Mortensen isn't Aragorn all the time, or something like that. You can "reconcile" the two things by realizing that you were looking at a
fictional representation the whole time. If it cannot be reconciled, then it wasn't
the real deal to begin with, so we shouldn't give a shit that fans can't reconcile that, any more than we commiserate with LOTR fans upset that hobbits aren't real. People like
GG Allin, the "gypsy motherfucker" was the real deal - an asshole all the time. But it's literally crazy to expect some dragons-and-fairies band to be actually that in real life, 24 hours a day. If someone "can't reconcile" that, they're just some kind of idiot who shouldn't be coddled in the first place. People like the idea that the bands they like are "authentic" but then when any actual reality seeps in at the edges they get upset about it. So, we're talking stuff on the level of Harry Potter fans getting upset that JK Rowling said something on Twitter, really.
I'm guessing the discord is actually that they want the band members online presence to be 100% concordant with what's on the album. But like I said, albums are a type of
fiction, but people who make them are real, so the real problem is that people want the real world to match the fiction, they can't separate a stage show from the real people who are in the show. And the fans in the "scene" are largely living a fiction too. There are only a minority who maintain being punk, metal or goth 24 hours a day as a "lifestyle". But, these people aren't the ones who tend to keep everything going in the "scene" they're just delusional about it - they're the most caked on and unimaginative gatekeepers of what someone in that scene is "supposed" to be like. They represent stagnation and how the "scene" thing is built around phony personas. Like, if you like things that aren't metal you can't exactly mix those into your "metal look" can you? It's not an integrated persona, literally everyone is hiding stuff they like that doesn't fit the image, and if they're not, they must be
incredibly boring people - like someone who play-acts as being James Hetfield 24 hours a day, but basically makes nothing of any value to anyone.
And even if they're not like that, trust me, a whole lifestyle built around which bands you're into, and you've got all the merch and shit, is kinda crap, and hardly the result of knowing wisdom. Those people kind of suck, just in a different way to the part-timers who are into the music and dress up for concerts. Someone who dresses up to go out, but they're not "100% punk" (or metal or whatever) 24 hours a day ... well, they're actually fucking
heaps more fun to actually hang out with, but the "scene" elitists wouldn't have a bar of them.
... and thanks, you're acting like a complete shitheel, and proud of it, clearly the best spokesperson for the scenes you're part of.
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