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wierd

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #154290 on: November 12, 2020, 03:57:35 am »

My own WTF.

My GPG keyring vanished on this laptop.  Like, POOF. 

I have been sending and receiving encrypted emails for months with it. Then suddenly, my keyring is gone.  JUST GONE.  No sign of it.


WTF.

I will restore it when I go home. (I keep backups.)
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« Reply #154291 on: November 12, 2020, 04:10:46 am »

No. E and I are not the same letter in Japanese.

Or rather, "Ni" (に) and "Ne" (ね) are not the same letter.

It's one of those things where it takes you a while to get the ear-tuning right, but I'm sure English has a ton of that too.

e = the "eh" in "meh"
ee = the "ay" in "gay"
i = the "i" in "shit'
ii = the ee in "screech"

This is probably a little off as it's more subtle than that and can still trip you up, but that's enough of a start to hear the difference between onee-chan and onii-chan. It's one of those things where it's hard to hear the difference but a native speaker can tell right away. But consider that words like "cart" and "card" are extemely close but no native speaker has a problem telling those apart.
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« Reply #154292 on: November 12, 2020, 04:23:23 am »

True enough, but with only RARE exception, all Japanese vowels are conjugates with a consonant, and -I and -E forms are not interchangeable.

(this is one of the reasons why words like "Prell", as in the shampoo, are difficult to transcribe properly into Japanese phonemes. There is no stand-alone P sound. Closest you could get would be "Puh-re-lu", exploiting the silent 'u'. (such as in 'desu') )



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« Reply #154293 on: November 12, 2020, 04:30:46 am »

But they do have double vowels and diphthongs, which is what I was talking about.

Onii-san in hiragana is おに​いさん, where に is "ni" and "い" is "i", so it forms a long vowel as in "screech". Going by IPA phonetics, it changes to a different sound. Each individual hiragana has a specific pronounciation, but there are specific combinations that have special means for sounds that the normal hiragana don't cover.
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« Reply #154294 on: November 12, 2020, 05:50:27 am »

ee = the "ay" in "gay"
I object, "ay" (as Americans say it) is clearly a diphthong (eɪ), while Japanese "ee" is not (e̞ː). American English does (for some strange reason) lack elongated mid front unrounded vowels (i.e. long "e"s), despite them being pretty common in other languages. This is also what leads to the horrendous "champs eli-says" and "bon journay" spoken by American tourists in Paris.
Not that the Americans can do much about it, but maybe realize "ay" is not the optimal substitution.

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« Reply #154295 on: November 12, 2020, 06:19:46 am »

FUCK Spanish verb forms. That is all.   
This wasn't at all intended to tie in with the language discussion that appears to be already ongoing, it just made me WTF today.       
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #154296 on: November 12, 2020, 07:06:01 am »

nono, you didnt conjugate the word ‘fuck’
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #154297 on: November 12, 2020, 07:23:41 am »

FUCK Spanish verb forms. That is all.   
This wasn't at all intended to tie in with the language discussion that appears to be already ongoing, it just made me WTF today.       
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« Reply #154298 on: November 12, 2020, 07:36:58 am »

Somebody's not gonna like Russian word cases...
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« Reply #154299 on: November 12, 2020, 07:43:24 am »

The main wrench in my machine of Spanish speaking is that I cannot for the life of me remember how to bend verbs in anything but the present tempus.

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« Reply #154300 on: November 12, 2020, 07:48:31 am »

The main wrench in my machine of Spanish speaking is that I cannot for the life of me remember how to bend verbs in anything but the present tempus.

A ayer, I go to la biblioteca

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« Reply #154301 on: November 12, 2020, 08:01:02 am »

And that's even getting into er and ir verbs!  :'( :'( :'(
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« Reply #154302 on: November 12, 2020, 08:11:46 am »

ee = the "ay" in "gay"
I object, "ay" (as Americans say it) is clearly a diphthong (eɪ), while Japanese "ee" is not (e̞ː). American English does (for some strange reason) lack elongated mid front unrounded vowels (i.e. long "e"s), despite them being pretty common in other languages.

Well the main purpose was to explain to Americans how to tell the difference, and 'ay' is the simplest way to explain it. I did say it wasn't perfect to start with. It's kind of hard to explain how it sounds by saying "it sounds like a thing English doesn't have" since that could be literally anything and is not helpful.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B4lvRueoEY&t=16
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« Reply #154303 on: November 12, 2020, 08:45:04 am »

Scriver Im here to back you on all the spanish requirements.
That would be: Ayer fui a la biblioteca.
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« Reply #154304 on: November 12, 2020, 10:25:14 am »

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