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[Egan_BW]

Choose your own path, consider what you're taught.

Listen intently and learn nothing, then go outside and play.

[Kagus]

The old testament says to kill gays, and the new testament says to adhere to the old testament. Except for the caveat; "What goes into someone's mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them." (Matthew 15:11)

So, clearly, oral sex is fine. But only if you swallow.

[hector13]

Could also mean oral sex is fine, but it’s not fine berating someone ‘cause they prefer eating dick over pussy.

[Kagus]

Could also mean oral sex is fine, but it’s not fine berating someone ‘cause they prefer eating dick over pussy.

Stones do not come from one's mouth, handily enough (it would be incredibly inefficient to stone someone to death using tonsilloliths, not to mention disgusting).

_{Leviticus 20:13 tho}

[EnigmaticHat]

The old testament says to kill gays, and the new testament says to adhere to the old testament.

Does the bible actually say either of those things?  I know at one point in the bible god kills gays but my understanding of the new testament is that god judging someone /= humans should judge them.

[Lord Shonus]

Leviticus commands that "man shall not lie with man as he lies with woman", but the precise intention is unclear. Interpretations range from "no gays ever!" to "men shouldn't sleep with the male temple prostitutes of the pagan religion that existed in the same area and time period as the Levitite priesthood". Still others pass it off as "God told them that because they were too stupid to avoid STDs in those days, just like he banned pig-eating because they were too dumb to avoid parasites" or "The Levitite priests were special, so they had stricter rules than normal people - just like Samson and his hair."

[Trekkin]

There's also 1 Corinthians 6:9–11 and 1 Timothy 1:9–10, although it should be born in mind that arsenokoitai can be translated, particularly in context, as "pederasts" rather than "homosexuals." Malakoi, too, is more accurately rendered as "spineless" than "effeminate" per se. It's kind of like how מכשפה can also be translated as pharmakeia (and thus "poisoner") rather than "witch" exactly.

EDIT: I forgot Romans 1:26–27, although that's more "do not be Gaius Caligula" than anything else.

[ggamer]

the two big ones are Romans 1:24 and Leviticus... 8? Peter absolved the faith of any obligation towards the old law (there was a famous bit in the bible about circumsision, this is also why a lot of reformed christians don't believe in things like tithes, prohibition, evangelicalism, etc.), and also the old testament was the civic and moral guidelines for an entire nation that sucked at following said regulations, so of course the law would go into exhaustive detail about how no, you can't cheat on your spouse that way. With full context, Romans 1:24 reads more as a condemnation of Pagans in Rome to establish clear lines between said Pagans and those former Jews and newly converted gentiles in the city. Paul also very famously wrote a dick ton of letters to different churches, so he might have been experienced enough by then to know that new converts would use whatever means possible to integrate themselves into local religions.

I need more secondary historical sources to back up that conclusion, which i'm working on. Outside of explicit proscription, a few handfuls of theologians see things like primieval man being man+woman and the marraige of the lamb to be an implicit proscription on gay marraige. But I highly doubt that. Some people point to Sodom and Gamorrah as an example of God hating homosexuality, and it's like... yeah bud, sure. the people of the city try to rape a literal angel, and homosexuality was just a bridge too far.

I've always personally believed gay marriage is holy in the eyes of God as long as it's ordained, & as long as sex before marriage doesn't taint the vow. Personally it's hard for me to practice what I preach, since i have a lot of cravings (sex, nicotine, men) that won't ever go away, but biblical study leads me to believe it's the striving towards God that redeems, rather than any sort of redemption that no man or woman could ever possibly learn.

(I use the word reformed christian here; fun fact, when someone describes themselves as that it means their faith is taken directly from scripture, out of a basic distrust of the 'telephone game,' as well as a personal charge from God to adhere to the word of God.)

[hector13]

You mean the word of God that was written by people? /probably trying to start something because organized religion is silly and it’s late and I’ve been tired all day and can’t sleep

[Doomblade187]

Hey, ggamer, are you in uni for a religious degree? You know quite a bit per bible, seems.

[Yoink]

I feel like this whole discussion could be more suited to the Railgun thread...

[Egan_BW]

Yeah, once we load it into the railgun we can shoot it off into outer space and never see it again.

[Eric Blank]

Got a call this morning that i need to shut down all thegas pumps, cant sell any gas. Because the new guy with the gas supplier pumped diesel into the gas tank.

Apparently they also didnt get us any diesel, because they then called back and said we have to chip the ice off the diesel tank hatch, which is, apparently, why the new guy decided to pump diesel into the gas tank.

Just, what the fuck?

[Tack]

Well that’s fucked up. What happens to all of that contaminated gas? Down the sink?

[wierd]

That happened recently in my area too.  Lots of people in a nearby suburb were screwed because they filled their tanks with mixed diesel/gasoline "fuel", and it was cold weather to boot.  Such fun times!