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[Rowanas]

fenugreek is used in a LOT of mediteranean and indian (from india) cuisine.  It is a bit different than the other two, but closely related flavor.

vegemite/marmite are yeast extractives with glutamate receptor triggering compounds that have strong umami flavor profiles. They might be tricky because they tend to be a bit too salty. But a little goes a long way.

Your subjective butt-talking makes me take you less seriously.  I on the other hand, can totally back both statements up, and will, just because.



https://rawspicebar.com/blogs/spices-101/fenugreek-substitute

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/umami

4.16.6.1.6 Nucleotides

Five years after the discovery of MSG as an umami taste, Kodama, who was a senior pupil of Ikeda, found that inosine 5′-monophosphate (IMP) was an umami-tasting constituent of dried bonito, which has also been used for soup stock in Japan and East Asia. Kuninaka. further studied umami-tasting substances and found that guanosine 5′-monophosphate (GMP) obtained by the enzymatic hydrolysis of yeast RNA had an intense umami taste. GMP was also found as a constituent of dried mushrooms (Cortinellus shiitake) cultivated in Japan. Among natural nucleotides, umami-tasting compounds are 5′-nucleotides with purine as a nucleic acid base, such as IMP, GMP, and AMP. Mononucleotides with phosphate at the 2′- or 3′-position do not elicit an umami taste. Nucleosides and purine bases also do not give a savory taste. The relationship between the nucleotide structure and the intensity of umami was extensively studied. As described in Section 4.16.6.1.1, it was confirmed that IMP and GMP have synergistic action with MSG and therefore these nucleotides are used with MSG as seasonings. Both IMP and GMP are industrially produced by enzymatic transformation and fermentation technology. Interestingly, the umami taste increases in stored meat and fish compared to very fresh food. It is thought that ATP present in the meat is transformed to IMP through AMP.

Proving that it has flavour isn't proving that the flavour isn't that of the Devil's trickling ballsweat on a particularly humid day.  I could probably link you to a study on the exact chemical compounds that make up the earthy, occasionally bitter taste of a cowpat, it would still taste like fenugreek (and vice versa) .

Now, on to more pleasant discussion - Where are my Sumac bros? Give me a whoop whoop for Sumac!

[Yoink]

Now, on to more pleasant discussion - Where are my Sumac bros? Give me a whoop whoop for Sumac!

...The band?

[Rowanas]

Now, on to more pleasant discussion - Where are my Sumac bros? Give me a whoop whoop for Sumac!

...The band?

...no. The spice that gives life all of its meaning.

[Arx]

I've become a coffee snob, send help. I had a mug of filter coffee from a café and found myself criticising the blend instead of just enjoying the coffee. ;_;

[Reelya]

I've become a coffee snob, send help. I had a mug of filter coffee from a café and found myself criticising the blend instead of just enjoying the coffee. ;_;

You're not a snob. Italian espresso style coffee is the real deal. Filter coffee is just extra-thick tea. They're basically two different things.

[Yoink]

Just had Clive Palmer pop up in a Youtube ad telling me how he's building a new coal mine. WTF. Bit of a mood killer...

I've become a coffee snob, send help. I had a mug of filter coffee from a café and found myself criticising the blend instead of just enjoying the coffee. ;_;

* Yoink nods sympathetically before taking another swig of International Roast.

[Kagus]

Vietnamese sweetened iced coffee (cà phê sữa đá) tastes like coffee liqueur.

[Rowanas]

I've become a coffee snob, send help. I had a mug of filter coffee from a café and found myself criticising the blend instead of just enjoying the coffee. ;_;

You're not a snob. Italian espresso style coffee is the real deal. Filter coffee is just extra-thick tea. They're basically two different things.

You take that back!  Coffee is nothing like tea in any form!  It's awful, bitter black tar for soulless automata, while tea is a delicate and thoughtful brew for people of discernment and distinction.

[Hanslanda]

I don't drink tea or coffee.

[Teneb]

Black coffe is best coffe. Fight me.

[Yoink]

I don't drink tea or coffee.

...Not even mushroom tea?    

[Kagus]

I tend to shy away from coffee, as I've been slapped with pulsating anxiety a couple times when imbibing.

Not sure why, though... I mean, I drink tea occasionally, and I never take the bag out, so I should be getting plenty of caffeine that way. I also sometimes reuse the bag for a second cup, just in case anyone thought I had a shred of civilization in me.

[Rowanas]

I also sometimes reuse the bag for a second cup...

We move further from god's light every day.

[Arx]

I've become a coffee snob, send help. I had a mug of filter coffee from a café and found myself criticising the blend instead of just enjoying the coffee. ;_;

You're not a snob. Italian espresso style coffee is the real deal. Filter coffee is just extra-thick tea. They're basically two different things.

There is no objective superiority of espresso over filter, it's just (unsurprisingly) better in espresso-based preparations like flat whites and so on. Filter provides a cleaner, more objective flavour of the blend, which is great and I've had some lovely cups of filter, but it doesn't flatter a mediocre blend at all.

[Frumple]

I've become a coffee snob, send help. I had a mug of filter coffee from a café and found myself criticising the blend instead of just enjoying the coffee. ;_;

Y'know, this makes me wonder if you could make a people-muzzle that locks up on detecting the smell of coffee. Probably not the help you're looking for but it'd stop you from drinking coffee.