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[Hanslanda]

We've had at least two religion threads that didn't end in crucijihad so I suspect a bible discussion wouldn't be horribad as long as people keep to the rules.

[ChairmanPoo]

By "God refuses to explain what actually transgressed" do you mean he didn't explain it to Job? Or it wasn't explained to the reader?

It wasn´t explained to anyone.

I'd caution not to confuse Job as a history book though

eh... don´t worry 

  The whole Bible is about how your lot in life (or death) has nothing to do with your actions but wholly on God's actions and promises.  Sadly humans really like to tie afterlife to works though, so even after Christ the Christian church has done a really fine job of tying salvation back to works when that was a very specific thing that Jesus taught against.

I´m going to guess you´re a Christian Protestant? That sounds like a very Protestant interpretation of the New Testament

[pisskop]

The book of Job is an illustration of God's power over man, and man's devotion to God.  It also reinforces the idea that it's not man's place to dig into the will of God, and that there is a reason things happen.

In this case, it happens because God wants to demonstrate how devoted his followers can be.


It is never explicitly spelled out, but its all presented in clear fashion.

[McTraveller]

By "God refuses to explain what actually transgressed" do you mean he didn't explain it to Job? Or it wasn't explained to the reader?

It wasn´t explained to anyone.

The whole chapters of God talking with The Accuser seemed pretty clear...and the interaction between Job and his 3 "friends"...

I'd caution not to confuse Job as a history book though

eh... don´t worry 

  The whole Bible is about how your lot in life (or death) has nothing to do with your actions but wholly on God's actions and promises.  Sadly humans really like to tie afterlife to works though, so even after Christ the Christian church has done a really fine job of tying salvation back to works when that was a very specific thing that Jesus taught against.

I´m going to guess you´re a Christian Protestant? That sounds like a very Protestant interpretation of the New Testament

Yes, Protestant which is about as far as I go with denominational labels.  Hence my suggestion for a Bible discussion thread - for instance, why is there such a difference between Catholic and Protestant interpretations of the new testament? Lots of good discussion that can be had, and hopefully with enough decorum to talk about the differences with civility.

EDIT: ugh, I got ninja'd!

[TamerVirus]

I thought the book of Job was about the founding of Apple? 

[pisskop]

The book of Job is about a virtual family in Oregon trail on the Mac.  A banker and his wife buy 500lb of bacon but no gun.

[Imic]

Maybe we'll all get to heaven, if we all fill our role. Maybe that was what they meant.
Maybe a lot of things.
Religion is confusing, but I doubt a forum is the worst place to discuss it.

[Kagus]

Well, I mean, in that specific instance the reason was "Satan: 'hey God, betcha Job will renounce you if horrible things happen to him', God: 'betcha he won't'" (Job 1:10-12), and then Job's children and servants were murdered on a bet.

But it's okay, because God gave Job a new and better family (42:13) after everything was said and done.

[pisskop]

That was more showing that God can reverse fortune, and that faith in him will result in happenis.

I think a lot of people get caught up on the 'Good God' stuff.  OT God was Firebolts and Sodom-y

[McTraveller]

I started a new topic for all that... hop on over!

[Tack]

I was somehow really happy to be seeing DF stuff in this thread.
Maybe I should dust the sucker off again.

[smjjames]

That was more showing that God can reverse fortune, and that faith in him will result in happenis.

I think a lot of people get caught up on the 'Good God' stuff.  OT God was Firebolts and Sodom-y

Was that typo there intentional? lol....

I started a new topic for all that... hop on over!

I suppose a new religion thread would be useful since the current active (for a degree of 'active') one has a topic starter who can't lock the thread in case things go south.

[TamerVirus]

In the Old Testament, God went down to Earth and got into a wrestling match with a dude (Jacob) that lasted an entire night or something for reasons. I think it was for the universal championship or something.

He also told one of his prophets (Isaiah), "Hey yo, Isaiah sounds like a normal name, but you gotta name your sons Shear-Jashub and Maher-shalal-hash-baz"

There also that one time kids were making fun of the baldness Prophet Elisha, so God came in with the assist by summoning bears to maul 42 of them

Old Testament had some wacky stuff in it

[smjjames]

In the Old Testament, God went down to Earth and got into a wrestling match with a dude (Jacob) that lasted an entire night or something for reasons. I think it was for the universal championship or something.

He also told one of his prophets (Isaiah), "Hey yo, Isaiah sounds like a normal name, but you gotta name your sons Shear-Jashub and Maher-shalal-hash-baz"

There also that one time kids were making fun of the baldness Prophet Elisha, so God came in with the assist by summoning bears to maul 42 of them

Old Testament had some wacky stuff in it

quoting and moving to the new topic.

[Kagus]

Well at least he didn't name his kid Unless-Jesus-Christ-Had-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned.