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[Lord Shonus]

I'd have thought it was America, what with all the crazy puritan descendants there.

Antivaxxers are far more likely to be New Age hippy-types than anything else. There's a few Christian denominations that are anti-medicine (and thus anti-vax) but they're a minority.

[Akura]

Solution, put cling wrap in the bowl. Worst case then is that they poop but it's contained in the wrap.

If they were to piss in the bowl, it'd splash everywhere.

[Frumple]

Solution, put cling wrap in the bowl. Worst case then is that they poop but it's contained in the wrap.

Ha, you wish that was the worst case. It might be better to not give people the incentive to start eying the floor or ceiling.

[GiglameshDespair]

Put a claymore mine in the loo instead. They might still shit in it once, but never twice.

[Akura]

Put a claymore mine in the loo instead. They might still shit in it once, but never twice.

Or at all ever again.

[TD1]

I'd have thought it was America, what with all the crazy puritan descendants there.

Antivaxxers are far more likely to be New Age hippy-types than anything else. There's a few Christian denominations that are anti-medicine (and thus anti-vax) but they're a minority.

Really? Huh. Wonder why I was associating it with Bible belters, then.

[AzyWng]

Put a claymore mine in the loo instead. They might still shit in it once, but never twice.

Or at all ever again.

You make it sound like that's a bad thing.

[Tawa]

I'd have thought it was America, what with all the crazy puritan descendants there.

Antivaxxers are far more likely to be New Age hippy-types than anything else. There's a few Christian denominations that are anti-medicine (and thus anti-vax) but they're a minority.

Really? Huh. Wonder why I was associating it with Bible belters, then.

As I recall, they were the ones who really got it started. I can't speak as to whether the conspiracy theorist/alt-med hippies outnumber them, but if nothing else the religious/deeply-conservative branch of the movement is still the most vocal. The main push from them comes from bogus medical studies claiming vaccines "cause autism" or that they're wildly unsafe for illogical reasons (e.g. "it's possible to make them incorrectly, therefore we should abandon the practice entirely.") There's definitely a weird amount of overlap; "alternative medicine", especially anti-vaxxing and homeopathy, finds adherents both among magic-crystal chakra wizard types and faith healing "cancer is also God's plan" sorts.

There's a certain amount of political alarmism involved, as well; a common thread is "vaccines deny people individual liberty", because apparently potentially killing or maiming both yourself and others is less important than not getting half-dead microbes injected into your arm. This was actually the main thrust of an anti-vaxxer I debated on the internet once, who believed that making people get vaccines will cause the United States to become a totalitarian dictatorship.

[Jopax]

Today I learned that Firefox is a scummy piece of shit software outright lies.

You know it loves to update constantly? And how you can choose to never update or update only when you confirm that you're ok with it updating? Well, turns out that the only choice is to never check for updates or always update. Because selecting the middle option of you having to choose which updates to install means that the updates are only postponed until you restart Firefox. Because the moment you do, the fucking thing will start the update install process with no cancellation or option buttons, just a progress bar that goes away once it's done the deed.

What's even the fucking point of putting that option there if it's not doing what it says it is? It's not like it's a background thing, the moment you restart you'll realise that the option you selected was bullshitting you into thinking you actually had any control over the software and what it was allowed to do.

Fucking hell do I miss the rage thread sometimes.

[AzyWng]

So if Firefox is "Pants on Fire", and Microsoft Edge is... well, Microsoft, and Chrome is, well, Chrome...

What alternatives do we have?

[Frumple]

Opera!

... opera classic. Which discontinued support last year. Not opera opera, which desktop wise is basically a chrome reskin. Android version's fairly alright, though. Currently letting me roll with 48 tabs open on an oldish kindle and has working adblock, which is about all I ask for.

E2: And it actually has a counter for your total open tabs! I don't have to count any more. It's a feature I never realized I wanted.

[nenjin]

Today I learned that Firefox is a scummy piece of shit software outright lies.

You know it loves to update constantly? And how you can choose to never update or update only when you confirm that you're ok with it updating? Well, turns out that the only choice is to never check for updates or always update. Because selecting the middle option of you having to choose which updates to install means that the updates are only postponed until you restart Firefox. Because the moment you do, the fucking thing will start the update install process with no cancellation or option buttons, just a progress bar that goes away once it's done the deed.

What's even the fucking point of putting that option there if it's not doing what it says it is? It's not like it's a background thing, the moment you restart you'll realise that the option you selected was bullshitting you into thinking you actually had any control over the software and what it was allowed to do.

Fucking hell do I miss the rage thread sometimes.

On the flip side, I can't get Waterfox to update half the time even when it says it's trying to. ><

Alas we must not let that genie out of the bottle again.

[Lord Shonus]

I'd have thought it was America, what with all the crazy puritan descendants there.

Antivaxxers are far more likely to be New Age hippy-types than anything else. There's a few Christian denominations that are anti-medicine (and thus anti-vax) but they're a minority.

Really? Huh. Wonder why I was associating it with Bible belters, then.

As I recall, they were the ones who really got it started. I can't speak as to whether the conspiracy theorist/alt-med hippies outnumber them, but if nothing else the religious/deeply-conservative branch of the movement is still the most vocal. The main push from them comes from bogus medical studies claiming vaccines "cause autism" or that they're wildly unsafe for illogical reasons (e.g. "it's possible to make them incorrectly, therefore we should abandon the practice entirely.") There's definitely a weird amount of overlap; "alternative medicine", especially anti-vaxxing and homeopathy, finds adherents both among magic-crystal chakra wizard types and faith healing "cancer is also God's plan" sorts.

There's a certain amount of political alarmism involved, as well; a common thread is "vaccines deny people individual liberty", because apparently potentially killing or maiming both yourself and others is less important than not getting half-dead microbes injected into your arm. This was actually the main thrust of an anti-vaxxer I debated on the internet once, who believed that making people get vaccines will cause the United States to become a totalitarian dictatorship.

Anti-vaxxers have been around since vaccination was invented. There was much opposition to the smallpox vaccine, mostly because a lot of scientists thought that the whole thing was bunk, and smallpox was caused by bad air. There was a small religious opposition, but the main source of opponents were objecting on scientific ground.

In the 1970s, there was considerable opposition to the Diphtheria, Tetanus, and Pertussis (DTP) vaccine. This appears to be solely based on claims that it caused brain damage. There was a massive drop of DTP vaccination (and resultant outbreaks) in the UK, but the panic never set in in the US.

The modern anti-vax movement only really got started when the maker of a rival MMR vaccine started spewing out lies to discredit the one in common use. As with the DTP vaccine, the whole mess started in the UK before spreading to the US. Unlike with the DTP vaccine, this time around stupid celebrities gave this nut a voice, and it fireballed from there.

[TD1]

Also, the whole thing where the Vacc part of Vaccine made a lot of people uncomfortable about messing with cows.

[ChairmanPoo]

Everybody loves cows