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[Frumple]

... I'm just kinda' curious why fouling in blood bowl of all things is apparently seen as a lack of sportsmanship. Last I noticed that sort of thing was like half the point of the game...

[Criptfeind]

It's fouling on the last turn of the game specifically that's considered bad sportsmanship, where it can't in any way actually help you win that game, all it can possibly do is injure or kill an opponents player, hurting them in future games.

Edit: Two additional important notes, unlike other injuries in the game, you don't gain star player points for fouling (if I recall correctly) which truly means in a one off game you gain literally nothing from fouling on the last turn, it's only a chance to deal some lasting hurt to the opponents team. However, in a league setting where you're likely or guaranteed to see them again, I can see last turn fouling having some merit, seeing as it might weaken their team for the rematch. I think it's still considered rude and I don't personally do it (although to be fair when I did play the game I rarely fouled what so ever, so I guess that doesn't say much) but I've had it done to me without too much of an eyebrow raised. Most commonly once an opponent, especially a bashy one, has given up on the game they might turn to just constant fouling.

[Sergarr]

People used to glhf in mobas.

And the proceed to yell at people for not following a strict guide, with a voice chat if that function is in the game. AoS is, like, one of the least "sportsmanship" type of games I've ever seen.

[Frumple]

Eh, it's up there but competitive team based stuff in general likes to turn vicious without much prompting. Which is to say most multiplayer games out there, really, ha.

Will say one of the better ways to sort of mitigate some of that I've seen came from Infantry. Large random teams that occasionally shuffle members mixed with usually relatively short rounds and a large and visible player pool (i.e. you didn't constantly cycle through names you've never encountered before) seemed to take a bit of the edge off. Also helped that the nature of the zones and gameplay generally meant you could contribute a fair amount even if you sucked gigantic explosive donkey balls, and even losing tended to be pretty enjoyable.

[snip]

Ah, that makes more sense. Had forgotten what turn 16 entailed, heh.

[Neonivek]

People used to glhf in mobas.

Frankly if there is one thing that cheeses me off about "Good Sportsmanship" is how INCREDIBLY SUPER FAKE it often is.

Good luck, have fun? Alright...

Good Game! when the game could have been absolutely terrible or your in a huff? Yeah, that actually cheeses me off.

[Greiger]

Making me want to play blood bowl 2 again somehow.  I quit after 3 matches in a row with at least 2 deaths on my team.  I came back for a short stint, but immediately got turned off from it again when my starting team was matched against some maxed out team.   All the pregame bonuses I could buy could not even remotely even that match.

Oh and one of my mvps died on literally the first action of that game to a rerolled double skull.

Something is wrong with the rng in that game, and it's not just nuffle.

EDIT: In heroes of the storm I usually 'good luck, have bacon' at the start of a match.  Same with Depth.  I seem to be the only one that does any kind of glhf.

[Draignean]

People used to glhf in mobas.

Frankly if there is one thing that cheeses me off about "Good Sportsmanship" is how INCREDIBLY SUPER FAKE it often is.

Good luck, have fun? Alright...

Good Game! when the game could have been absolutely terrible or your in a huff? Yeah, that actually cheeses me off.

Eh, It's like courtesy in conversation.

The GG, GLHF, the Bow, it's a certain level of minimum conduct. Even if it's not heartfelt, it's something.

[Greiger]

Yea gg is just good conduct.  If I legitimately had a good game I'd spell it out fully or comment on it instead of just going gg.   

The good luck have bacon, is just a reminder that it's a game, and it's an indication that I'm not going to get on someone's case if they fuck up, and I'm hoping for the same courtesy.  I play games to have fun, I'm going to try my best but I'm not one of those people that analyses every replay to get better.  Blizzard is not paying me to be a pro brightwing, [whoever made depth] is not paying me to be the best at eating people, so I don't take it that far.

[Neonivek]

Yea gg is just good conduct.

Yes it is a convention that everyone ENFORCES.

But it is still super fake.

I mean... What is your REAL defense here? Ohh right... That it IS super fake and that is why it is good. As "Conduct" you are meaning Demeanor as well.

I mean say that it is better than the alternative. Yet don't pretend that because it is a convention that it is somehow not one of the fakest things people are expected to do.

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Then again "Super Fakeness" only bothers me... Everyone loves people who never tell the truth, hide their feelings, and only tell you what you want to hear.

[Draignean]

ENFORCES.

This word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

I mean... What is your REAL defense here? Ohh right... That it IS super fake and that is why it is good. As "Conduct" you are meaning Demeanor as well.

I mean say that it is better than the alternative. Yet don't pretend that because it is a convention that it is somehow not one of the fakest things people are expected to do.

It's like any form of formalized competition- a mark of respect.

Eh, it's not the fakest thing people are expected to do. Don't take that award away from standardized testing, it's the only thing it has left to hold onto.

[Dunamisdeos]

It's been a convention in gaming for decades because it prevents people from devolving into whining, raging animals.

Much like etiquette in actual society. Just because it disallows or precludes a person from being a poisonous irritant when they lose doesn't mean it's "fake".

[Tiruin]

Yea gg is just good conduct.

Yes it is a convention that everyone ENFORCES.

But it is still super fake.

I mean... What is your REAL defense here? Ohh right... That it IS super fake and that is why it is good. As "Conduct" you are meaning Demeanor as well.

I mean say that it is better than the alternative. Yet don't pretend that because it is a convention that it is somehow not one of the fakest things people are expected to do.

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Then again "Super Fakeness" only bothers me... Everyone loves people who never tell the truth, hide their feelings, and only tell you what you want to hear.

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I feel like you're either overreacting a lot, or somewhat biased. Although most of my experiences are from DotA (LAN instead of online...) eeeeeever since it premiered back in the years (before any of those other 'MOBA's or what they're called now, and back in Warcraft III before the SNOW MAPS), "gg" and other parts are common courtesy, even said when people aren't in the mood because they're thinking about many things and it's common courtesy just like saying please and thank you--at times, usually, with the same visibility as the 'said' part in narrative textual dialogue. Unless you are focusing on how useless it is because analytics is prodding you hard.

Seriously. It's like speaking fully out of context and then using that impression to generalize the whole thing. >_<
What's the case you're thinking about?
Who in general gave you that impression?

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Eh, it's not the fakest thing people are expected to do. Don't take that award away from standardized testing, it's the only thing it has left to hold onto.

If you're talking about psychological standardized testing, I've to boop you there about the levels of superficiality that give the impression of 'fake'. :3

[Neonivek]

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This word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

No it means what I think it means.

People encourage good behavior, and discourage bad behavior.

It is part of "Social Control"

If they let it drop... it wouldn't be enforced. People do not let it drop.

It's been a convention in gaming for decades because it prevents people from devolving into whining, raging animals.

Much like etiquette in actual society. Just because it disallows or precludes a person from being a poisonous irritant when they lose doesn't mean it's "fake".

Yeah but in other fields we have stripped away this sort of sacrosanct requirements.

Heck anytime someone wants to show how stupid "High society" is through shallow parody... what do they do? Empty compliments.

it's common courtesy just like saying please and thank you

Here is kind of the thing.

You cannot divorce the meaning from the words just because someone deems it "Common courtesy"

Please? That is just asking politely and is TYPICALLY the requirement for you not to be making a command. Thank you? You are affirming and showing gratitude.

Good Game? You are agreeing that the game was good. It was a fairly done and fun game.

Though the funny thing is? "Please" is a word that is falling by the wayside because it amounts to manipulation. People don't whip out please unless they are trying to force you.

As I said, this fakeness only bothers me and me alone and no this isn't sarcasm.

No one else that I know of is bothered by "social conventions" that are just empty words meant to mean something but deprived of all meaning.

This isn't like... Forced Charity. Where yes, most people have some issue with it even though it is still done today.

[Dunamisdeos]

So, maybe everyone is arguing the same thing?

If it was not a good game for EVERYONE, don't say good game. Like in a 5v5 if two guys leave and the 3 man side get stomped, that is not a good game.

If it was not a good game for YOU, but it was for others, say it anyway. I find that the main reason people do not like saying it is because it acknowledges that the game functioned as intended, and you still lost/did not perform well, and therefore your loss reflects on you, and admitting that in any way whatsoever is beyond some folks maturity. It's the line-up-and-handshake at the end of a baseball, and the same kind of people hate it for the same reason.

It's not a compliment to anyone, it's basic sportsmanship.

[Neonivek]

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It's not a compliment to anyone, it's basic sportsmanship.

So is steroids, beating people up, and intentionally injuring the other players.

Ohh and cheating, lots and lots of cheating!

Social Convention =/= good

Where are we? Victorian England?