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« Reply #118875 on: March 03, 2017, 08:48:06 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-m9A8mY-U0

hundred year old color video, really weird feeling to watch it, they all have no idea whats coming. also that weird feeling when i realize i can read all the German comments and understand what they are saying.
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« Reply #118876 on: March 03, 2017, 09:16:16 pm »

Ok I know that society is growing increasingly anti-union and even the government is.

But... the issue with anti-union is...

What better way is there to ensure worker rights than unions? Sure some jobs specifically cannot have unions and cannot strike, but those often come with a system specifically in place to mediate between the workers and employer and can supersede the employer's desires if the worker's demands are fair.

But absolutely NO business would ever allow something like that to fall into place.

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So... is it that people just kind of forgot what things were like before unions? or don't know what crud holes some jobs without unions or that are anti-union are like?

Yeah Corrupt Unions and ones that power trip are terrible... but I am not sure if I consider them worse than not being able to enforce your rights as a employee.
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« Reply #118877 on: March 03, 2017, 09:27:44 pm »

What better way is there to ensure worker rights than unions? Sure some jobs specifically cannot have unions and cannot strike, but those often come with a system specifically in place to mediate between the workers and employer and can supersede the employer's desires if the worker's demands are fair.

But absolutely NO business would ever allow something like that to fall into place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_cooperative

One of them is the third largest company by sales in UK.

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« Reply #118878 on: March 03, 2017, 10:10:24 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-m9A8mY-U0

hundred year old color video, really weird feeling to watch it, they all have no idea whats coming. also that weird feeling when i realize i can read all the German comments and understand what they are saying.
It was a little hard to watch the really small kids and think that they'd all be in their late teens and early twenties in 1914.
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« Reply #118879 on: March 03, 2017, 10:20:04 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-m9A8mY-U0

hundred year old color video, really weird feeling to watch it, they all have no idea whats coming. also that weird feeling when i realize i can read all the German comments and understand what they are saying.
It was a little hard to watch the really small kids and think that they'd all be in their late teens and early twenties in 1914.
they had some sweet mini cars though. good while it lasted i guess.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #118880 on: March 03, 2017, 10:32:58 pm »

Ok I know that society is growing increasingly anti-union and even the government is.

But... the issue with anti-union is...

What better way is there to ensure worker rights than unions? Sure some jobs specifically cannot have unions and cannot strike, but those often come with a system specifically in place to mediate between the workers and employer and can supersede the employer's desires if the worker's demands are fair.

But absolutely NO business would ever allow something like that to fall into place.

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So... is it that people just kind of forgot what things were like before unions? or don't know what crud holes some jobs without unions or that are anti-union are like?

Yeah Corrupt Unions and ones that power trip are terrible... but I am not sure if I consider them worse than not being able to enforce your rights as a employee.

There are many reasons. Some folks buy into the horror stories of "untouchable" workers that do not contribute to (or actively harm) the company they are working at. Others just see the higher wages and benefits and denounce them as extortion, believing that anybody worth such wages should be able to demand them on their own rather than "ganging up". Still others honestly think that the unions are still closely affiliated with organized crime (this was once quite true, as there was a symbiotic flow of muscle, cash, and influence between the two groups back when the labor fight bordered on open warfare) and dismiss union actions as legalized extortion. Simply put, they underestimate the power differential between employer and employee.

For the most part, people don't comprehend just how bad it was before unions, while a great many of those that do believe that modern publicity, or the rise of regulative bodies such as OSHA (there is significant overlap between the anti-union and anti-regulation crowd, but the two are not perfectly aligned), will keep such things in check. There are a great many people who laud what unions did in the past, but believe that they are now dinosaurs that no longer serve a useful purpose.

It should also be kept in mind that a lot of anti-union folk haven't worked in a blue-collar job in many years, having had the drive, ambition, or social savvy to become foremen and supervisors fairly early on. A significant percentage never did the grunt work, and used connections to start at the bottom of the management track. The first group sees their early work through sepia-toned nostalgia, while the latter has no experiential frame of reference.
 
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« Reply #118881 on: March 03, 2017, 10:34:06 pm »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-m9A8mY-U0

hundred year old color video, really weird feeling to watch it, they all have no idea whats coming. also that weird feeling when i realize i can read all the German comments and understand what they are saying.
It was a little hard to watch the really small kids and think that they'd all be in their late teens and early twenties in 1914.
having seen things like these before, it's both beautiful and very thought moving.

Although my WTF are how many comments about Americans (from and to) and their vision on Europe and history. :S I mean...wha? Isn't a first world country's education just as much as what we've got here? It seems to have painted Europe as an unrealistically horrible (and lesser) place ._.

But back in the video--I'm real glad about people working for things like these. History is very amazing.
I love how people connect with each other, then and now.
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« Reply #118882 on: March 03, 2017, 10:40:42 pm »

Stateside history education is perhaps not the most stellar among the developed countries, tiru. Depending on the subject and school/region of the country, it can actually start leaning in the direction of what's charitably called "shit".
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« Reply #118883 on: March 03, 2017, 10:43:42 pm »

Especially when it comes to other countries. I bet you you'd be hard-pressed to find an average American that knows that America controlled the Philippines for a while, for example. Or that Germany (and Berlin) was not immediately divided into 2 in 1945. Or how long that wall took to actually go up, counting from 1945.
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« Reply #118884 on: March 04, 2017, 12:00:05 am »

Ok I normally would do two WTF back to back like this (PFT, ok I have)

But watching a movie on the Jetsons and...

OMG... are there... racial variants of the characters in the background? I see like several Mrs. Spacely and Sam... Sometimes even side by side.

THIS IS SOOO WEIRD! it would be like watching someone make a Captain Planet movie today... make it accurate to the source material (to... an... extent)... and in the background you can see Asian Linka giving a high five to Black Linka... while White Maati looks on in bewilderment.

It is soo distracting!

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Edit: WAIT WHAT!?! There is a Crossover movie/Show with Scooby Doo meets the Cars universe?

What the heck!
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« Reply #118885 on: March 04, 2017, 12:14:21 am »

Stateside history education is perhaps not the most stellar among the developed countries, tiru. Depending on the subject and school/region of the country, it can actually start leaning in the direction of what's charitably called "shit".
Yeah, it's rather shit.
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« Reply #118886 on: March 04, 2017, 12:18:52 am »

Stateside history education is perhaps not the most stellar among the developed countries, tiru. Depending on the subject and school/region of the country, it can actually start leaning in the direction of what's charitably called "shit".
Yeah, it's rather shit.

Isn't that because America strongly believes in grand narrative history and defends revisionist history in general, especially to foster American ideals and traditions?
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« Reply #118887 on: March 04, 2017, 12:21:39 am »

Possibly?  I wouldn't know.
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« Reply #118888 on: March 04, 2017, 12:22:51 am »

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« Reply #118889 on: March 04, 2017, 12:27:55 am »

Stateside history education is perhaps not the most stellar among the developed countries, tiru. Depending on the subject and school/region of the country, it can actually start leaning in the direction of what's charitably called "shit".
Yeah, it's rather shit.

Isn't that because America strongly believes in grand narrative history and defends revisionist history in general, especially to foster American ideals and traditions?

More because pretty much all K-12 education is hyperfocused on standardized testing, because that's what dictates funding for the most part. You teach the test, and the test (regardless of what it is) is predominantly basic U.S. history.

Once you get to post-secondary things start picking up. Had a prof in my undergraduate work who spent most of a semester talking about what happened to Eastern Europe during WWII (or rather, what was done to it by the Nazis and Soviets as they came through in turn) in a WWII course, for example.
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