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[Shadowlord]

Wtf?

[Iceblaster]

'How to get a call from a police station in five easy steps! Number three will shock you!'

[Loud Whispers]

'How to get a call from a police station in five easy steps! Number three will shock you!'

Step 4: Hide the bodies before they arrive

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Forget it, Iceblaster. It's Craigslist.

[Kot]

Spoiler: Ranting about CS:Goddamn 'Orrible (click to show/hide)

One of the big ones is the decrease in precision and range of movement, bhop not included. You cannot jump onto a wide range of environmental objects and pieces of terrain in GO which you could in CSS and 1.6. That means that there are fewer positions to take when defending a position, fewer routes to take when moving around the map. It pushes it much further into the dominance of twitch reflexes over careful positioning, map knowledge, and thoughtful movement. The movement values have also changed, and my impression, as well as that of a lot of other 1.6 and Source vets, is that it is less exact.

TTK in GO is higher. This means that it is more forgiving of mistakes and fuck-ups. You can miss a flash or be looking the wrong way when you come around a corner, get shot, and still spin around to cap the guy shooting at you. Again, advantaging reflexes over precision and planning.

The M4. Separating it out into suppressed and non-suppressed versions is idiotic and designed to appeal to shitty players who don't bother learning which is better for a situation or judging when they should put it on or take it off. Reduced complexity, in other words, again. Also a lot of weapons are just straight-up unusable in any remotely competitive context. Many more than in Source or 1.6.

HE grenades don't go through walls in GO. What the fuck. Actual walls, not places where there are map edges on both sides of a blank space, mind.

The Buy Menu is unintuitive shit in GO. But maybe that's just my muscle memory complaining.

Recoil was practically removed in GO. Every goddamn automatic weapon handles like the P90 in Source. Again, casul appeal. Shitters who can't bother to control their recoil and cry hacks whenever they run into someone who can positively loved GO. Head-height spray & pray with the AK works in GO. If you don't know why that's unusual, you don't know CS, bluntly speaking.

The skins and loot crates. FUCK. YOU. FUCK. OFF. I will gladly pay a bit more to not have all that bullshit inundate the game. Never mind all those Skinner box gambling sites that have been getting shut down for screwing dumb kids out of literally hundreds of dollars worth of skins.

Matchmaking-based multiplayer. Yes, I know that there are still servers. Also, splitting the MM even further into a bunch of queues. Nothing like waiting 10-15m for a goddamn match.

Trying to force it to become an esport. Nobody gives a shit about GO professional stuff the way they did for 1.6 because the game is too shallow for players to show any personality in their playstyle.

And yes, they managed to fuck up gungame. The mod ordered the weapons the way it did for a goddamn reason. You start with AWP and move down through progressively less powerful weapons because that's how the mode is balanced. Granted, still not as bad as when CoD filed the serial numbers off and called it their own development while swapping that exactly so that you start with shit and end on sniper rifles.

Now, granted, they at least moved away from the giant hitboxes of Source. So count one improvement and a bunch of fuckups. The dumb shits who made GO (Hidden Path) are the same ones that ruined the balance in Source with some terrible patches from 2010-2011.

Why is it that every game that gets changed to be less hardcore always have the point of 'it being dumbed down for cod kiddies' like. Fuck. That's levelled against a bunch of games and honestly, I haven't seen anything in CS:GO to say 'hey cod gamers! look at us! we're cod! come play us!'

I mean. Seriously. Using more casual shooter players as a scapegoat is a bit of a dick move.

Because CoD is the ultimate casul game for casul gamers. It's the single most definable "favorite game" of screaming children and asshole fratboys everywhere. It dumbs down gameplay into an endless repetition of fifteen second snippets of action. CounterStrike is and always has been the tactical small-unit FPS, just like Quake was always the fast-paced twitch shooter, so on and so forth. It's about planning, coordination, keen senses, prediction, and map knowledge. Your ears are more important than what gun you have in 1.6 and Source. GO stripped out most of the complexity in favor of making the game more runny-gunny, which is exactly the formula that targets the CoD demographic of impatient children and angry man-children.

Spoiler: Woah, this rant is... clearly butthurt. (click to show/hide)

Decerase in precision and range of movement? Provide an example please, because I can't think of one. You might mean that maps have changed, but eh, you can still play just on de_dust2 like all those Russians since it's virtually unchanged except those random barrels that did more harm than good anyway.
TTK? TTK is literally 0 fucking seconds if you aren't retarded and score a headshoot with most guns.
The M4, eh, sure, that's one of things you just have to get used to. And seriously, the only completly unuseable weapons are R8 (except not really, pocket sniper gun though skilled Deagle players can do everything it can and more) and... I dunno, M249? All of them can have their uses, though most have very specific ones.
Lol, HE grenades... neither they do in Source. And do you remember how in older games it was fucking WALLBANG HEAVEN because you could kill people through solid walls and shit like the entrance from T to upper at dust2 was constantly fucking wallbanged? Good change if anything, requires you to have some fucking balistic skill to actually aim the nades.
Buy menu is just a matter of getting used to, and then binds, so moot point.
Spray patterns bb. This is major difference in CS:GO, and I actually think it's better than previous games where it was much more RNG.
The skins and loot crates... whatever? I mean, it's not like anyone forces you to do it, and if dumb kids buy skins then it's their problem. And you can get most skins from random weekly drops anyway (cue the various dudes getting 1000+ Dragon Lores on Cobblestone).
I don't know where you live, but there are rarely 10m queues unless something is broke or you queue for a very rarely played map (Militia, hue). And if you check all the maps there are literally two queues - Prime, which is basically a try to reduce cheating since it requires you to bind to it with your phone number, or non-Prime which is the same but doesn't require additional confirmation past having bought the game.
...so... how many e-sport events there have been recently for 1.6? And how many were for CS:GO? Exactly...
I'm not sure what are you ranting about when it comes to gun game. AWP still the most powerful gun around.

Yeah, except a not-shit team will crush all the run and gun kids any day of a week. Hell, in recent updates running and gunning in CS:GO got even worse, thanks to the jumping innacuracy change so you can no longer pull those retarded MP9 rushes (that still ended in getting headshooted by AKs most of the time) with ease.

[Rolan7]

Forget it, Iceblaster. It's Craigslist.

Nice one.

Also my first (well, second) thought was "It's probably legit, that door would be simple to break through!"

[Akura]

Was going to play a botmatch in Company of Heroes, and as I was setting up the game, some random guy jumps in. First, I don't know how or why that's possible. Second, I really don't like that it's possible. I should stop playing CoH anyway, the AI cheats like a bitch.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

That post degenerated quickly, most likely due to brain damage caused by playing Company of Heroes.

[Baffler]

That post degenerated quickly, most likely due to brain damage caused by playing Company of Heroes.

Eh, the first one wasn't that bad. 2 is hot garbage, but the original was alright for casual play.

[Tack]

Spoiler: Any of you guys looking for a job? (click to show/hide)

Actually sounds like a rich kid hungry for friends.

But I mean that's probably what they want to sound like.

[Rolan7]

That post degenerated quickly, most likely due to brain damage caused by playing Company of Heroes.

Not sure what you mean by degenerated.  Maybe you agree, but unexpected online drop-ins are bullshit.
Except in Dark Souls, where you should know better, and I have only barely played.

[Flying Dice]

I personally find cornbread offputting unless paired with something else, because it's far too dry and bland to be enjoyable. Same problem with grilled chicken.

Someone's been feeding you shitty cornbread, then. Granted, it's the sort of thing where if it's not homemade by someone who knows what they're doing it's probably terrible, so.

Spoiler: Ranting about CS:Goddamn 'Orrible (click to show/hide)

One of the big ones is the decrease in precision and range of movement, bhop not included. You cannot jump onto a wide range of environmental objects and pieces of terrain in GO which you could in CSS and 1.6. That means that there are fewer positions to take when defending a position, fewer routes to take when moving around the map. It pushes it much further into the dominance of twitch reflexes over careful positioning, map knowledge, and thoughtful movement. The movement values have also changed, and my impression, as well as that of a lot of other 1.6 and Source vets, is that it is less exact.

TTK in GO is higher. This means that it is more forgiving of mistakes and fuck-ups. You can miss a flash or be looking the wrong way when you come around a corner, get shot, and still spin around to cap the guy shooting at you. Again, advantaging reflexes over precision and planning.

The M4. Separating it out into suppressed and non-suppressed versions is idiotic and designed to appeal to shitty players who don't bother learning which is better for a situation or judging when they should put it on or take it off. Reduced complexity, in other words, again. Also a lot of weapons are just straight-up unusable in any remotely competitive context. Many more than in Source or 1.6.

HE grenades don't go through walls in GO. What the fuck. Actual walls, not places where there are map edges on both sides of a blank space, mind.

The Buy Menu is unintuitive shit in GO. But maybe that's just my muscle memory complaining.

Recoil was practically removed in GO. Every goddamn automatic weapon handles like the P90 in Source. Again, casul appeal. Shitters who can't bother to control their recoil and cry hacks whenever they run into someone who can positively loved GO. Head-height spray & pray with the AK works in GO. If you don't know why that's unusual, you don't know CS, bluntly speaking.

The skins and loot crates. FUCK. YOU. FUCK. OFF. I will gladly pay a bit more to not have all that bullshit inundate the game. Never mind all those Skinner box gambling sites that have been getting shut down for screwing dumb kids out of literally hundreds of dollars worth of skins.

Matchmaking-based multiplayer. Yes, I know that there are still servers. Also, splitting the MM even further into a bunch of queues. Nothing like waiting 10-15m for a goddamn match.

Trying to force it to become an esport. Nobody gives a shit about GO professional stuff the way they did for 1.6 because the game is too shallow for players to show any personality in their playstyle.

And yes, they managed to fuck up gungame. The mod ordered the weapons the way it did for a goddamn reason. You start with AWP and move down through progressively less powerful weapons because that's how the mode is balanced. Granted, still not as bad as when CoD filed the serial numbers off and called it their own development while swapping that exactly so that you start with shit and end on sniper rifles.

Now, granted, they at least moved away from the giant hitboxes of Source. So count one improvement and a bunch of fuckups. The dumb shits who made GO (Hidden Path) are the same ones that ruined the balance in Source with some terrible patches from 2010-2011.

Why is it that every game that gets changed to be less hardcore always have the point of 'it being dumbed down for cod kiddies' like. Fuck. That's levelled against a bunch of games and honestly, I haven't seen anything in CS:GO to say 'hey cod gamers! look at us! we're cod! come play us!'

I mean. Seriously. Using more casual shooter players as a scapegoat is a bit of a dick move.

Because CoD is the ultimate casul game for casul gamers. It's the single most definable "favorite game" of screaming children and asshole fratboys everywhere. It dumbs down gameplay into an endless repetition of fifteen second snippets of action. CounterStrike is and always has been the tactical small-unit FPS, just like Quake was always the fast-paced twitch shooter, so on and so forth. It's about planning, coordination, keen senses, prediction, and map knowledge. Your ears are more important than what gun you have in 1.6 and Source. GO stripped out most of the complexity in favor of making the game more runny-gunny, which is exactly the formula that targets the CoD demographic of impatient children and angry man-children.

Spoiler: Woah, this rant is... clearly butthurt. (click to show/hide)

Decerase in precision and range of movement? Provide an example please, because I can't think of one. You might mean that maps have changed, but eh, you can still play just on de_dust2 like all those Russians since it's virtually unchanged except those random barrels that did more harm than good anyway.
TTK? TTK is literally 0 fucking seconds if you aren't retarded and score a headshoot with most guns.
The M4, eh, sure, that's one of things you just have to get used to. And seriously, the only completly unuseable weapons are R8 (except not really, pocket sniper gun though skilled Deagle players can do everything it can and more) and... I dunno, M249? All of them can have their uses, though most have very specific ones.
Lol, HE grenades... neither they do in Source. And do you remember how in older games it was fucking WALLBANG HEAVEN because you could kill people through solid walls and shit like the entrance from T to upper at dust2 was constantly fucking wallbanged? Good change if anything, requires you to have some fucking balistic skill to actually aim the nades.
Buy menu is just a matter of getting used to, and then binds, so moot point.
Spray patterns bb. This is major difference in CS:GO, and I actually think it's better than previous games where it was much more RNG.
The skins and loot crates... whatever? I mean, it's not like anyone forces you to do it, and if dumb kids buy skins then it's their problem. And you can get most skins from random weekly drops anyway (cue the various dudes getting 1000+ Dragon Lores on Cobblestone).
I don't know where you live, but there are rarely 10m queues unless something is broke or you queue for a very rarely played map (Militia, hue). And if you check all the maps there are literally two queues - Prime, which is basically a try to reduce cheating since it requires you to bind to it with your phone number, or non-Prime which is the same but doesn't require additional confirmation past having bought the game.
...so... how many e-sport events there have been recently for 1.6? And how many were for CS:GO? Exactly...
I'm not sure what are you ranting about when it comes to gun game. AWP still the most powerful gun around.

Yeah, except a not-shit team will crush all the run and gun kids any day of a week. Hell, in recent updates running and gunning in CS:GO got even worse, thanks to the jumping innacuracy change so you can no longer pull those retarded MP9 rushes (that still ended in getting headshooted by AKs most of the time) with ease.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

It's hard to quantify, I know this doesn't help, but GO movement honestly just feels floaty.

TTK is higher because of the shittification of recoil. On that note: yes, they changed everything over to spray patterns. Which is for fucking casuls. This is the point that determines if someone talking about how great GO is has ever played 1.6 or Source. With a handful of exceptions, every weapon's recoil pulled in a specific way (you know, as real firearms tend to do), which made it incredibly easy to land shots if you knew what you were doing. The three round AK burst would fall in pretty much the exact same place every single time because that sucker didn't shake around in a pseudorandom pattern, it pulled hard up. Most of the guns that scattered instead of pulling were so accurate that a quick burst would kill anyways.

This is why GO is shit, and this is why TTK is higher in it: the random-ass spray patterns. Any half-decent player in 1.6 or Source will always have their shots on target almost every single time, and will probably dome you with a perfectly-accurate first shot. In GO there's the random factor introduced by the absurd spray patterns: you don't know exactly where your shots will land. If you're not shoving your gun in their face and holding down the trigger, you might not kill them when you should. You could always quickly identify shitters in the previous games because they'd be the ones who end up mag-dumping into the scenery above and behind whoever they were shooting at.

And oh yes, first-shot accuracy. Removing it in Source was one of the worst things they did, but it was still tolerable. Guess what they did in GO? They bumped the inaccuracy even further!

GO is for casuals because it was designed for casuals. The skill-cap is lower and, like most casual shooters, killing relies partially on luck and partially on exploiting the slight transmission delay common to all shooters (i.e. the reason why someone coming around a corner is advantaged over someone watching the corner if both know where the other is). There's always going to be some component of these in any FPS, but 1.6 and Source minimized it about as much as possible. Again, Source had its problems (hitboxes, floaty grenades), but they were vastly less significant than GO's. GO was designed from the ground up to encourage people to run around like headless chickens and spray people down instead of picking good positions, carefully peeking, and landing precise shots. It's like playing Source except every gun is the P90.

I, and a hell of a lot of other CS vets, aren't salty because Valve and Hidden made a shitty casual shooter which vaguely resembles CS, we're salty because they called it CS and made it instead of a modernized polishing of 1.6 or Source. And because release was shortly followed by the same gaggle of children who slaver over every mediocre shooter on the market acting like it's the best thing since sliced bread to play a shallow, bastardized shadow of CS. So yeah, there's just a little resentment there. Also because MM doesn't auto-ban or team-limit AWPs and Autos like pretty much every server with sane owners did.

Source is far and away my most-played PC game. The only games I've played more of are Halo 2 and 3 back in the day. I fucking love CounterStrike, even with the little imperfections, and it fucking hurts to see it mangled like this. It was a beautiful formula and they managed to kill a good chunk of what made it good.

Since it was too complicated before: they fucked up gungame by changing the ordering that weapons came in. Another telltale of someone who first played CS with GO, incidentally. In gungame, you start with AWP and progress down through the weapon list, getting progressively shittier and shittier guns. The GO conversion vaguely resembles that, but doesn't really order them by strength properly, which disrupts the balance. The point of the ordering was that there was a very fine gradation in the difficulty-skill ratio, making it smoothly and progressively more difficult to advance.

[Yoink]

Tea-Coffee. Or more like Tchaikovsky. I just bought something called 'dirty chai'. It's basically Indian chai with espresso.

EDIT: aww. It has vanilla in it as well. Now if it were only a hint of vanilla, but no, the vanilla dominates at least the scent. Haven't gotten to tasting it yet, too hot.

You mean a chai latte? Those are delicious.

[Neonivek]

Uhhh

Since it was too complicated before: they fucked up gungame by changing the ordering that weapons came in. Another telltale of someone who first played CS with GO, incidentally. In gungame, you start with AWP and progress down through the weapon list, getting progressively shittier and shittier guns. The GO conversion vaguely resembles that, but doesn't really order them by strength properly, which disrupts the balance. The point of the ordering was that there was a very fine gradation in the difficulty-skill ratio, making it smoothly and progressively more difficult to advance.

So... Like normal counterstrike? I mean... frequently the "best most expensive weapons" in Counterstrike were garbage or seriously outclassed by previous weapons. Heck they even had useless categories that only came into use in very specific maps (because they had one special ability. Too bad those maps frequently don't use buy)

Which come to think of it... is probably something CSGo could have kind of fixed... I mean it isn't like people are unaware of these flaws. Just reorder the guns, change the prices, and boom!

[itisnotlogical]

Shitty webcam footage of action figures dubbed with Microsoft Sam is still funny after all these years. I don't even really have an interest in Halo anymore and this is still good IMHO. Link