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[Neonivek]

I thought I caused it to be shut down at first because I said the word "Dumb" and it might have been construed as calling people in the thread dumb or Liberals Dumb.

Instead of "Riots are dumb"

[smjjames]

I did understand it in the context of the protests though.

[Comrade P.]

Just don't bring it over here now, 'kay?

[TempAcc]

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Uh huh.

[Eric Blank]

Come on, that's too stupid even for the most radical right-hating leftist. That's a poe. To the laugh thread with it.

[Rolan7]

Haha, I forgot about "womyn"

[Tack]

I always wanted free legal reign to grab someone by the pussy.

But seriously guys can we go back to talking about the undead?
Actually a more fruitful conversation.

Let's talk Draugr, Wraiths and the various interpretations of ghouls.
Are ghouls actually undead?

[TempAcc]

Lets talk about grabbing skeletons by the pelvis.

[Draignean]

I always wanted free legal reign to grab someone by the pussy.

But seriously guys can we go back to talking about the undead?
Actually a more fruitful conversation.

Let's talk Draugr, Wraiths and the various interpretations of ghouls.
Are ghouls actually undead?

Technically, no, if we're going by original context. Ghouls, as from the original Arabic sense were evil spirits. Monstrous, yes, undead, no.

[Tiruin]

Let's talk Draugr, Wraiths and the various interpretations of ghouls.
Are ghouls actually undead?

Technically, no, if we're going by original context. Ghouls, as from the original Arabic sense were evil spirits. Monstrous, yes, undead, no.

Added note to that--when you say ghouls, are you talking about local versions? Because given the timeline of spirits and the theme of creatures under such, there are many (many), many variations nowadays :3

...And when you say undead, a spirit doesn't technically count following Draig's note.

[Rolan7]

I think in 3.5e, ghouls are basically just monstrous cannibals so ugly that they can paralyze people in shock/terror (semi gorgon-esque).
They're *technically* undead, but they honestly have more in common with the living.  They have to eat, and they eat actual food, unlike vampires.  In fact I think the one-word definition of ghouls would be "hunger".

Interestingly, they're basically wendigo of Native American legend.

[TempAcc]

A shitton of things are described in old legends as spirits, though. Strigoi, for example, which in fantasy is often treated as just a kind of vampire, were more like partially corporal evil spirits in the original legend. Hell, vampires themselves were more like evil spirits originally, IIRC.

The original norse notion of elves were also spirits, according to my missing swedish blood fetishist linguistic freak friend. Dwarves were just a type of elf, and thus spirits as well. Draugr were also sometimes described as spirits (which could take corporal form).

So ye, tons of shit that we know today as undead were originally described as spirits.

[Avis-Mergulus]

The original norse notion of elves were also spirits, according to my missing swedish blood fetishist linguistic freak friend. Dwarves were just a type of elf, and thus spirits as well.

I'm pretty sure that neither of the Eddas describes dwarves and elves as being either one and the same, or spirits. Is there some other source for that notion?

[TempAcc]

Hell if I know. He made sure to tell me once that, for all things considered, elves might have possibly just been a way to refer to the spirits of the dead.
And weren't dwarves just called "dark" elves?

[Draignean]

A shitton of things are described in old legends as spirits, though. Strigoi, for example, which in fantasy is often treated as just a kind of vampire, were more like partially corporal evil spirits in the original legend. Hell, vampires themselves were more like evil spirits originally, IIRC.

The original norse notion of elves were also spirits, according to my missing swedish blood fetishist linguistic freak friend. Dwarves were just a type of elf, and thus spirits as well. Draugr were also sometimes described as spirits (which could take corporal form).

So ye, tons of shit that we know today as undead were originally described as spirits.

Draugr and Strigoi were specifically the spirits of those that had once been alive, which is VERY important distinction. (As opposed to other forms of spirit, such as Ghouls, which were never traditionally alive)