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IcyTea31

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #103485 on: June 02, 2016, 05:59:56 am »

Odd isn't 1+1=2 by definition. How else would you formally define the 1st ten integers
That's circular reasoning; it doesn't hold. "1 + 1 = 2 because integers are defined that way. Integers are defined that way because 1 + 1 = 2."

I haven't read Principia Mathematica, so I can't tell what logic they used, though.
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« Reply #103486 on: June 02, 2016, 06:15:43 am »

Disabled man born of incestuous rape wins right to claim compensation.
I don't see how this is a bad thing.
This is of course quite a special case. But I can imagine the sort of stuff this might lead to. "Depressed teen sues mom for birthing him"
If we're going to go with the slippery slope we should put all the homosexuals to death before people start fucking dogs.
Well people are already doing that so it's too late for that to work. We should focus on delegalizing gay marriage instead so that dogs can't marry humans or whatever made up slippery slope that leads to.


In other news... a friend bought me Xcom2 Digital deluxe edition yesterday (for my birthday) and caught me completely off guard with it... and quite honestly i have no idea what to get her in response now.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #103487 on: June 02, 2016, 06:28:12 am »

Iirc there was recently a pop science book published by some guy who was summing up lots of fresh plant and tree research and then angling all these cool behaviors they've found in individual species as "all trees are smarter than we think" (or at least that was the angle of the market-visit to the talk show I saw the guy in - I haven't read the actual book myself).

However, even if you remove his farfetched extrapolations it still sounded line there's a lot of cool interaction between plants on a level that people generally don't expect from... Well, what most consider inanimate objects of sorts. Like parent trees (don't remember the species in question) that interconnect with their nearby off-sprouts through their roots and then pump nourishment to them through their root network. Or plants that send out chemical signals when they're to defend themselves from pests, which then other plants can sense and start the chemical warfare in advance before the pests get to them (as am example of the unrealistic extrapolations the author made be describes this as plants "talking" to each other - and while it is a form of communication, I'd say, it certainly isn't on the level of "plants actually targeting each other with information to achieve an effect or elicit a response" but more in the vein of plants being slightly aware of and able to react to what goes on in their surroundings, particularly among their own breed). So yeah, there's new research showing that plants probably so have w lot more depth to them than we expect from them, but jot on a Planet of the Trees level of awareness, brains, intelligence, sentience, or sapience.
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« Reply #103488 on: June 02, 2016, 06:28:14 am »

What if the human is dogkin though?

Or, the dog humankin for that matter.
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« Reply #103489 on: June 02, 2016, 06:33:17 am »

Odd isn't 1+1=2 by definition. How else would you formally define the 1st ten integers
That's circular reasoning; it doesn't hold. "1 + 1 = 2 because integers are defined that way. Integers are defined that way because 1 + 1 = 2."

I haven't read Principia Mathematica, so I can't tell what logic they used, though.

Not really. Prove 1=1, === or +=+. You do actually need some basic axioms & symbols defined in your system
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #103490 on: June 02, 2016, 06:34:12 am »

What if the human is dogkin though?

Or, the dog humankin for that matter.
Execute them for treason, obviously.
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« Reply #103491 on: June 02, 2016, 06:52:51 am »

What if the human is dogkin though?

Or, the dog humankin for that matter.
Execute them for treason, obviously.
Says the dog wizard.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #103492 on: June 02, 2016, 07:28:41 am »

Odd isn't 1+1=2 by definition. How else would you formally define the 1st ten integers
That's circular reasoning; it doesn't hold. "1 + 1 = 2 because integers are defined that way. Integers are defined that way because 1 + 1 = 2."

I haven't read Principia Mathematica, so I can't tell what logic they used, though.

Not really. Prove 1=1, === or +=+. You do actually need some basic axioms & symbols defined in your system
Difference between axiom and symbol is important here. When counting, we don't use the axioms, 2+1=3, 3+1=4, etc, we use a set of rules. Russel was trying to prove this set of rules using the most basic (unsure if a priori, but definitely much more self-evident) axioms, and building a logical language based only on certain symbols that define very simply the relations of things.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #103493 on: June 02, 2016, 07:40:18 am »

Odd isn't 1+1=2 by definition. How else would you formally define the 1st ten integers
That's circular reasoning; it doesn't hold. "1 + 1 = 2 because integers are defined that way. Integers are defined that way because 1 + 1 = 2."

I haven't read Principia Mathematica, so I can't tell what logic they used, though.
Circular reasoning is actually how literally everything is defined, as long as you go deep enough.
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« Reply #103494 on: June 02, 2016, 07:55:55 am »

So... how did you learn English then, if it's all tautological?

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« Reply #103495 on: June 02, 2016, 08:03:45 am »

that's still seems pretty tautological. I know an apple is called an apple because I learned that apples are called apples because they are called apples.
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« Reply #103496 on: June 02, 2016, 08:14:34 am »

That's a lot of big words thrown around.
Physics and match have pre-defined set of rules that never change.
The only thing that might change is the human understanding of them.

Everything else be it language, apples or culture are constantly changing
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« Reply #103497 on: June 02, 2016, 08:30:16 am »

In other news... a friend bought me Xcom2 Digital deluxe edition yesterday (for my birthday) and caught me completely off guard with it... and quite honestly i have no idea what to get her in response now.

Is she dating anyone? She sounds like a keeper. ;)
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« Reply #103498 on: June 02, 2016, 09:14:02 am »

In other news... a friend bought me Xcom2 Digital deluxe edition yesterday (for my birthday) and caught me completely off guard with it... and quite honestly i have no idea what to get her in response now.

Is she dating anyone? She sounds like a keeper. ;)
Well i got her the "RENOWNED EXPLORERS BUNDLE" and i really have no clue what else i could do.
Also:
Not to my knowledge.
We're in contact for almost a decade now ;p
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« Reply #103499 on: June 02, 2016, 09:34:12 am »

Working at the #1 retailer of ESRB rated titles, I can tell you that it's less to avoid action by the government, and more to avoid stupid lawsuits by stupid parents who don't understand or initially care what their kids want to play (I seriously sold a lady GTAV for her 6 year old son. Even after I told her about the...adultiest...bits.) and prevents us from getting, "You sold excessively violent softcore porn to my kids!"

Our response gets to be, "No, we sold it to you. Who you give it to after you purchase it is your responsibility, not ours."

It wouldn't be an issue, but people can't be fucked to do a smidgen of research about what their kids like and/or think for themselves.
I reckon avoiding action by the government is a great perk, because 'I don't know what this is or how it works, but we need to think of the children.  Ban everything!'
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