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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #102900 on: May 26, 2016, 08:27:19 am »

The WTF for me there is that they thought the natural pronunciation of 3nder was thrinder. The natural pronunciation of that is pretty obviously ender.
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« Reply #102901 on: May 26, 2016, 08:36:29 am »

Just proving that Tinder aren't very 1337.
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« Reply #102902 on: May 26, 2016, 08:50:01 am »

To be fair, it kinda' seems like 3nder isn't particularly cognizant of basic letter replacement, either. Calling your relationship building site "Ender" seems to be of... dubious intelligence.

Unless it's one explicitly for finding people to overtly cheat on your partner with, I guess. Then it'd be a really good name.

E: Though now I'm kinda' wondering how that sort of site would work. Link it to your facebook page, have it send a message or whathaveyou when confirmed by the other person? Flag e-mails to get updates after confirmation of congress? VIP service could be a town crier or something. Maybe a singing telegram, that'd be pretty classy.

E2: "Hello, hello, hello!
We are here to inform you,
that your wife has gone to screw,
a random latinoooo!"

I'm pretty sure you could work that as a zippty-do-dah parody fairly easily, tbh. That last line could fit where the lyrics go "pass it on to you", or thereabouts.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #102904 on: May 26, 2016, 09:22:42 am »

Saints row 3 things.
I use an AMD card with the newest drivers possible and i recently re-instaleld my system. Still no dice.

In other news...

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« Reply #102905 on: May 26, 2016, 10:05:36 am »

That's pretty ruff, but I guess someone needs to take the lead.

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« Reply #102906 on: May 26, 2016, 10:07:13 am »

That's pretty ruff, but I guess someone needs to take the lead.

No! Bad Reelya. No more puns.

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« Reply #102907 on: May 26, 2016, 10:18:27 am »

"Let's computerize everything!" Let's not.

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/mcdonalds-counters-fight-for-15-with-automation/

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/29/autos/google-self-driving-car-accident/index.html

And now:
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/40000-payday-loan-error-typo-rapid-cash-205044891.html

So, first off, in Ch 7 bankruptcy, discharged debts can't be collected. The payday loan people don't care.
Then, they hit her with 153% interest collections as a breast cancer survivor who went bankrupt from medical bills.
After that, they tried to force arbitration (buried in mountains of forced term boilerplate you can't get out of anywhere).

They finally try to say, "The $40,000 debt never actually existed, the company confirmed.  It was all due to a misplaced decimal point that caused the true amount Banks owed — $403.17 — to appear instead as $40,317."

And guess what, that's after years and years and tons of money spent trying to deal with this crap. It wasn't helped by this delusional thinking that computers are always right because, "that's what the computer says." Screw the computer. It was terribly wrong. Now they want you to have your food, and driving taken over by these events and put people out of work besides. I say ban the self service food machines and fine any McDonald's or other employee driven restaurant into oblivion for their use. Don't care.

I won't want to wait around to see the inevitable snafus from this. Will people will severe food allergies die because they were served the wrong food (they pressed the buttons for a salad with no nuts but guess what .... and problems)? Or maybe they do even worse things, who knows. Will your self driving car drive you into a bus or off a cliff, or maybe it'll run over a bicyclist? You'll be blamed for all of this because the company sure won't own up to any of it without years of putting their feet to the fire, if they even do that.  Enjoy the incredible burden (financial, emotional, psychological, professional) of trying to get these "perfect machine" companies to own up to anything.

No thank you.
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« Reply #102908 on: May 26, 2016, 10:31:29 am »

All tasks that a human is capible of fucking up, and much harder and more often. In hundreds of hours of testing, google's cars caused one minor accident, under extenuating circumstances. Mister google is almost certainly better at driving than you. I don't know about you, but I don't want to risk my own personal safety to molasses-reacting humans than absolutely necessary, including my own.
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« Reply #102909 on: May 26, 2016, 10:33:36 am »

To be fair, the self-driving car is better than some human drivers we see in traffic. Still, no machine should run entirely unsupervised. Anyone can sanity check that $300 shouldn't turn into $40 000, if they would just bother to do so.
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« Reply #102910 on: May 26, 2016, 10:37:36 am »

I'm quite sure there was no glitch that moved the decimal. More than likely some poor soul locked up in a cubicle made a typo and used the computer as a scapegoat because machines aren't inteligent enough to say "hey fuckface you did the error so now live with the consequences instead of smearing me with your self made mess"

Simply put. Computers don't randomly put commas in documents and spreadsheets.
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« Reply #102911 on: May 26, 2016, 10:40:21 am »

Eh, the snafus'll happen, it's just they're most likely happen considerably less than they already do with human control if things end up being implemented as expected, which still seems fairly likely from everything I've noticed, m'self. Which is kinda' the point for most of it, insofar as screwups go.

Same thing with the accounting error, really... everything I've heard talkin' to folks that actually did that sort of bookkeeping back when it was basically entirely handwritten is that th'sort of errors like the one linked were considerably more common. And I'll say this on behalf of probably 90+% of accountants in the world right now: You try to take away our spreadsheets and databases and we are going to find you, and the budget for the police department that ends up looking for your body will mysteriously get reallocated. Not you in particular true, mind, but... anyone. Been taught and talked to folks that have been doing bookkeeping throughout the last few decades, who's been part of the slow transition... you'd take their arms faster than you'd take their computers. Having done a fair amount of bookkeeping either way myself, if mostly for practice, and, uh. I'm the same way. I'll take the occasional misplaced comma in a heartbeat if it means not taking hours/days/weeks longer, having dozens of other errors, and significantly worse off wrists to boot.

And yeah, it'll be pulling teeth to fine anyone, but... is that really that different now? Not so rhetorical question, mind... you'd know much better than me, true, whether the stuff you hear on TV about decade long cases to dig stuff out of companies that are incredibly clearly at fault are particularly accurate.

The job loss thing's a thing, though. Problem with or without full automation just due to steadily increasing production per worker, and you're not going have a very good time legally mandating inefficiencies in job positions, nevermind that you seriously don't want to considering our current and oncoming issues regarding resource use and conservation.

... though eeehhh, sonli, some database/accounting software gets pretty wonky. Sometimes they do. You double/triple check that stuff for a reason, heh. Is half the reason we're digitizing things like that so much; that double/triple checking can be the work of minutes/hours instead of days/weeks, heh.

E: Though apologies if any of that came off as particularly aggressive, true. That sort of thing's pretty close to the heart to me; I've been personally helping people dealing with folks resistant to digitalization and automation for a long while now, mostly related to education. It's incredibly frustrating to come back year after year to a half-week or better job of going through filing cabinets and hundreds of paper records checking attendance and whatnot, when you're entirely damn sure the entire process could take literally minutes if the bastards a position or two above would pull their head out their ass and let people put that crap to spreadsheet or database. I've literally offered to volunteer to do that work for a school system before, just to be rejected mostly because the administration was basically bloody luddites.
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« Reply #102912 on: May 26, 2016, 11:01:34 am »

Yeah, way off point.

Keywords, "their computers." Note the possessive. Technology helping people is good. Technology replacing people is bad. Yes I do want to ban those machines, make them illegal and having them a civil of not criminal offense punishing them with large fines, but perhaps not jail-time. Smack them, hard. Then, smack them harder. Then smack them again. They will comply or be smacked into paste. Either works. Companies need penalties to start doing what they were supposed to be doing in the first place and stop screwing over people.

I'm not for taking away accountant's spreadsheets, because those are tools, not replacements. Never have been for that. If you read that article, the company is saying the computer software screwed up by misplacing a decimal. It can be a math or formatting error and it happens.

http://www.copsmodels.com/gpcommapnt.htm
http://spectrum.ieee.org/riskfactor/computing/it/misplaced-decimal-point-led-amsterdam-to-pay-out-188-million-instead-of-188-million-in-housing-aid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_point#Accuracy_problems
http://www.exploringbinary.com/floating-point-converter/
http://galileo.phys.virginia.edu/~rec_ak/Misplaced_decimal.htm

The faith in the machine orthodoxy is flawed. We focus on making better machines, because our technology has increased and our humanity has vastly declined. Ancient Greek bards would memorize a staggering amount of lines of poetry in an age without writing. Now? Good luck.

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« Reply #102913 on: May 26, 2016, 11:06:04 am »

If you think we'd be better off in ancient Greece, and that increasing technology makes us less human, than I'm going to have to disagree on a very fundamental and personal basis.
Screw that. Intentionally sabotaging our efficiency to save jorbs should be what's illegal.
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« Reply #102914 on: May 26, 2016, 11:19:24 am »

@Truean:Okay, all computer scientists will tell you that floating-point sucks for anything involving precision.

That's why there are things that don't use floating-point.

Also, a lot of the things you linked are human error.

Amsterdam?  Error in the setup of how stuff was passed to the payout people, not any calculations made within the program itself.

Misplaced decimal lawsuit?  Not actually misplaced, formatted wrong, on a prescription that for all I know was handwritten.

What does the first link even have to do with...

The internal logic of the program is just fine, the fact that it doesn't automatically pick up on Windows' settings is not a failure because that's something the user controls anyway.
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