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[pisskop]

Y?

Best way to stop people from getting shot is to give them guns

I meant why post facepalm

[redwallzyl]

because the obvious solution to school shootings is to give all the students guns. nothing could ever go wrong i see nothing possibly wrong with this plan...sssssssssaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrccccccccccccaaaaaaaaaaaassssssssssssssmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rolan7]

HOW?! I'd rather give them armor.

I wish we had rad power armor too.  Power armor is so cool.

But like, the logic's pretty reasonable.  A gun or two in the right hands can cut a murder-spree short, and it discourages cowardly murderers from making the attempt in the first place.

Of course it raises all sorts of dangers itself...  Probably a net fail.
I'd rather make it less trivial for criminals to get guns in the first place.

[pisskop]

when everyone or even a fair portion of te people have recieved background checks, registered their guns, has a permit on them as proof, and knows how to safely use/store/carry a gun this feels a lot like a kneejerk reaction

[Orange Wizard]

Best way to stop people from getting shot is to give them guns

HOW?! I'd rather give them armor.

Yeah but then they can't defend themselves

when everyone or even a fair portion of te people have recieved background checks, registered their guns, has a permit on them as proof, and knows how to safely use/store/carry a gun this feels a lot like a kneejerk reaction

I 100% agree. Carrying deadly weapons around in public is totally safe, people are overreacting

[Rolan7]

Most gun owners are decent or even good people...
But a criminal can still buy a gun at a gun show with no background check right?  So all the red tape barely helps.

[Kot]

I could see a gun or two being accessible to staff (in a locker or something, like Poland had during the communist times) or if it's such a problem a security guy or two with them (it's still pretty dangerous to have a gun in school or something, but hey, they KINDA have a tiny bit of point, considering that mass shooters can't really mass shoot if they themselves are shoot before the mass thing happens), but students? I mean, uh, I'm pretty pro-guns but those shouldn't appear in schools.

HOW?! I'd rather give them armor.

There is not really any armour that could really protect you. Heavier vests would be, well, heavy and annoying while lighter ones wouldn't do shit, and I'm pretty sure people aren't going to sit in helmets during classes, and even then there is ton of places on your body that armour doesn't protect.

[pisskop]

Right, because the black market exists we should ban guns.  Look how well it worked for drugs and booze

[Rolan7]

My understanding is that gun shows legally bypass background checks?

I'm not jumping on the gun-hate bus, I just think it's bs that it's possible to legally get a gun without a background check.  Or maybe I don't understand the loophole at all.

Edit:  According to Politifact it looks like "gun show loophole" is a bit of a misnomer.  People can legally sell guns without having a federal license in some situations (including gun shows), and those people aren't required to perform a background check.

[Orange Wizard]

Right, because the black market exists we should ban guns.  Look how well it worked for drugs and booze

Guns are hard to make without a proper factory setup. Booze and drugs are much easier. I could do it in my kitchen sink.

You want to reduce gun violence? Reduce saturation of guns. Like basically every other Western country.

[NJW2000]

Right, because the black market exists we should ban guns.  Look how well it worked for drugs and booze

Prohibition in a country where most of the citizens don't already do it isn't a law that'll work. Drugs... even if they're illegal, people will still try and get them if they're addicted. So people will keep selling drugs because of that.

But as far as I know, guns aren't physically or psychologically addictive.

Perhaps a bit habit-forming, though, I guess.

[Akura]

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I only saw the URL and not the article, but I'm already imagining the Picard facepalm mixed with that episode of TNG where Worf or whoever flies through some quantum clusterfuck and causes Enterprises from infinite alternate realities to start spawning... only it's just the Picard facepalm.

[Lord Shonus]

Right, because the black market exists we should ban guns.  Look how well it worked for drugs and booze

Guns are hard to make without a proper factory setup. Booze and drugs are much easier. I could do it in my kitchen sink.

Guns are trivial to make. All it takes is some rudimentary machine tools, which can be obtained for extremely low cost.

[smjjames]

Right, because the black market exists we should ban guns.  Look how well it worked for drugs and booze

Guns are hard to make without a proper factory setup. Booze and drugs are much easier. I could do it in my kitchen sink.

Guns are trivial to make. All it takes is some rudimentary machine tools, which can be obtained for extremely low cost.

Heck, people have 3D printed guns out of nothing but plastic.

[Graknorke]

But those are about as practical as aforementioned muzzle-loading replicas. You're not going to get far trying to kill people with one.