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[BlackFlyme]

Majority of the memes were created by the community. Not completely the game's fault.

I'd link to the Undertale X Dwarf Fortress thing posted on both related subreddits today, but spoilers.

[Putnam]

i mean, like, i can't get over that

undertale is the least memey of those three things, by far, it isn't 6 years of giggling at the smell of its own farts like homestuck is

the community is fairly memey, but jesus, you been to the upper boards or /r/dwarffortress? it's like /r/crusaderkings with slightly more original content up there

[Shadowlord]

(Same thing for being squicked out by women with dicks.)

How exactly do you define a woman? That's what I don't get.

My definition is [someone with functioning ovaries]

Why don't you try thinking about what it would feel like to grow up knowing in your heart that you are a woman, trapped in a male body, then discovering there's other people like you, learning that there's a way to actually become what you've always felt you are. Now imagine that after starting to transition you meet someone who tells you that you aren't a woman and will never be a woman because your body doesn't produce eggs and never has. How would that make you feel?

Re: sex/gender/etc: It's a semantics clusterfuck, ego everyone arguing about it is wrong

Spoiler: A quote about empathy (click to show/hide)

[Bohandas]

(Same thing for being squicked out by women with dicks.)

How exactly do you define a woman? That's what I don't get.

My definition is [someone with functioning ovaries]

Why don't you try thinking about what it would feel like to grow up knowing in your heart that you are a woman, trapped in a male body, then discovering there's other people like you, learning that there's a way to actually become what you've always felt you are. Now imagine that after starting to transition you meet someone who tells you that you aren't a woman and will never be a woman because your body doesn't produce eggs and never has. How would that make you feel?

"Knowing in your heart" isn't a real kind of knowing. It falls into the same category as blind faith, divination by the casting of lots, automatic writing, answers in Genesis, and DMT fueled "revelations".

EDIT:
How you feel about something and what you know in your heart are irrelevant to and utterly impotent to alter the facts of a situation; any situation. A simple tour of a madhouse should be sufficient to make that clear.

[Shadowlord]

Except that it's not coming from blind faith.

Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexualism

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

(Same thing for being squicked out by women with dicks.)

How exactly do you define a woman? That's what I don't get.

My definition is [someone with functioning ovaries]

Why don't you try thinking about what it would feel like to grow up knowing in your heart that you are a woman, trapped in a male body, then discovering there's other people like you, learning that there's a way to actually become what you've always felt you are. Now imagine that after starting to transition you meet someone who tells you that you aren't a woman and will never be a woman because your body doesn't produce eggs and never has. How would that make you feel?

"Knowing in your heart" isn't a real kind of knowing. It falls into the same category as blind faith, divination by the casting of lots, automatic writing, answers in Genesis, and DMT fueled "revelations".

EDIT:
How you feel about something and what you know in your heart are irrelevant to and utterly impotent to alter the facts of a situation; any situation. A simple tour of a madhouse should be sufficient to make that clear.

I think you're ignoring the point a bit, if someone is being an asshole to someone else for their lifestyle choices, that makes you an asshole, same with insulting vegetarians, or vegans, or people who abstain from sex until they're married, and that whole arm metaphor thing doesn't fit, either, I'd say it might be s'more like... I dunno, having feathers instead of hair, it would just seem wrong to some people who had that.
And I guess someone feeling wrong in their current gender isn't unique, precisely, I'd say it's the same kind of gut feeling that makes people want to change their hair color, or get jaw reassignment surgery, just... A little more complex.

[itisnotlogical]

"Knowing in your heart" isn't a real kind of knowing. It falls into the same category as blind faith, divination by the casting of lots, automatic writing, answers in Genesis, and DMT fueled "revelations".

EDIT:
How you feel about something and what you know in your heart are irrelevant to and utterly impotent to alter the facts of a situation; any situation. A simple tour of a madhouse should be sufficient to make that clear.

Your arguments sound like you've never had a single doubt about anything in your life. You're very fortunate.

[Bohandas]

(Same thing for being squicked out by women with dicks.)

How exactly do you define a woman? That's what I don't get.

My definition is [someone with functioning ovaries]

Why don't you try thinking about what it would feel like to grow up knowing in your heart that you are a woman, trapped in a male body, then discovering there's other people like you, learning that there's a way to actually become what you've always felt you are. Now imagine that after starting to transition you meet someone who tells you that you aren't a woman and will never be a woman because your body doesn't produce eggs and never has. How would that make you feel?

"Knowing in your heart" isn't a real kind of knowing. It falls into the same category as blind faith, divination by the casting of lots, automatic writing, answers in Genesis, and DMT fueled "revelations".

EDIT:
How you feel about something and what you know in your heart are irrelevant to and utterly impotent to alter the facts of a situation; any situation. A simple tour of a madhouse should be sufficient to make that clear.

I think you're ignoring the point a bit, if someone is being an asshole to someone else for their lifestyle choices, that makes you an asshole, same with insulting vegetarians, or vegans, or people who abstain from sex until they're married, and that whole arm metaphor thing doesn't fit, either, I'd say it might be s'more like... I dunno, having feathers instead of hair, it would just seem wrong to some people who had that.
And I guess someone feeling wrong in their current gender isn't unique, precisely, I'd say it's the same kind of gut feeling that makes people want to change their hair color, or get jaw reassignment surgery, just... A little more complex.

I don't really care about people's lifestyle choices, I just resent being asked to play along (yes, even insmall ways). As long as you don't ask me to play along you can do whatever the hell you want to.

If - by way of analogy - you want to live as a chivalric knight, you can do that too, but I categorically refuse to call you "sir".

[Shadowlord]

[Putnam]

except spock actually takes evidence into account

[Shadowlord]

I did. There are lots of studies linked from that wikipedia page I linked to, which mentioned a bunch of things in the brains of trans people (even prior to hormone treatment) which were found to be more like that of cisgender people of the same gender, rather than the sex they were born as. (And other things. I'm not going to try to summarize it all. Besides, Bohandas would just attack my wording.)

[Putnam]

we misunderstood each other pretty heavy there

[Empiricist]

So basically, this massive debate has essentially just boiled down to the fact that someone doesn't want to use a specific prefix?

[Orange Wizard]

Yeah but that's mostly because it's just a hodgepodge of memes and 90s-era graphics

1. >homestuck
2. >dwarf fortress
3. undertale isn't even a tenth as memey as people say it is
4. this bears repeating, actually, i talk about dwarf fortress and homestuck then you say undertale's worse for... archaic graphics and memes?

No, that was a shitpost

Re: sex/gender/etc: It's a semantics clusterfuck, ergo everyone arguing about it is wrong

Spoiler: A quote about empathy (click to show/hide)

Empathy is hard work bro, I'd rather just sit here and call everyone else an idiot

(but seriously the gender arguments go nowhere because everyone gets hung up on semantics; it's really just a waste of time)

So basically, this massive debate has essentially just boiled down to the fact that someone doesn't want to use a specific prefix?

Everyone's an it

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

*Snip*

I don't really care about people's lifestyle choices, I just resent being asked to play along (yes, even insmall ways). As long as you don't ask me to play along you can do whatever the hell you want to.

If - by way of analogy - you want to live as a chivalric knight, you can do that too, but I categorically refuse to call you "sir".

...
Okay, thought experiment, say you met someone you thought was a female, later on (A few months on, let's say) you learn that she is a transwoman, now do you start calling her a he or stick with what you originally used?