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[Lord Shonus]

Actually, IIRC it's pretty recently been uncovered that a lot of the vape fluids are carcinogenic.

Well yes, all of the nicotine ones. Unless they found out the "non-nicotine" ones are as well.

Nicotine isn't a carcinogen. The cancer, emphysema, &c. came from inhaling a bunch of tar-filled smoke with all sorts of nasty additives, which is why vapes were initially touted as a healthy alternative to smoking. The issue with vapes is that researchers found high levels of formaldehyde in the vapor--something like 5x-15x as much as in cigarette smoke under reasonable usage conditions.

The conditions under which the formaldehyde was produced (the maximum possible output) produced a cloud of boiling vapor that no human could ingest without severe pain. At any level possible to use, there is none. The scientist claims, based on the amount of vapor that he sees people produce, "many" people use the dangerous setting, but that is not necessary to produce large clouds.

[Frumple]

But... If they wanted to watch them with me... That's fine.
Not that they're anything special to me! They're dumb! Really dumb!
Whatever!

Well, you're assimilating the tsun outlook quite nicely, at least.

Also you lie, neo. It's entirely possible to cook a steak for 18 hours without burning it. Just gotta' use low temperatures. There's more than one preparation method that calls for slow cooking. Thing tends to not be particularly coherent afterwards, but it's doable.

[TempAcc]

I've taken to watching Shojo...
So far only one housemate has found out.
But I yelled that if they told anyone I'd kill them. absolutely.
But... If they wanted to watch them with me... That's fine.
Not that they're anything special to me! They're dumb! Really dumb!
Whatever!

Here's your complementary feels tissue and shipping ruleset :v

[Frumple]

Do note the shipping ruleset consists of one line.

1) Ship it.

[Rolan7]

So as someone whose brother is addicted to nicotine, and used to smoke...
Vaping is massively preferable to smoking for everyone involved.  Tobacco smoke makes me cough as I pass, stains into walls and clothes, and secondhand smoke is a cancer risk.

I can't smell the vapor myself, because I can't smell, but it doesn't make me cough.  I did try a nicotine-free one once and it tasted like licorice, that was cool.  There's certainly no solid evidence that it's carcinogenic, and my mom (who's crazy about smells, also a nurse) is fine with it.

It still sucks that people get addicted to nicotine, but vaping is clean and (as far as we know) safe.  Blowing vapor in peoples' faces is still kinda gross, but that's something assholes do on purpose.

"vaping == fedoras" bothers me for several reasons, but basically it's just a witless dig.  My brother doesn't vape because he's "one of them hipsters" or something, he does it because he's addicted to nicotine.  And unlike cigarettes or patches, he's been able to steadily decrease the nicotine content.  In the meantime he isn't consuming tar and filling the air with nicotine smoke.  He likes the flavors and plans to keep vaping once he's free of nicotine, and I strongly considered starting (it's kinda pricey though, plus I can't smell).

I don't like being around smokers, but vaping is totally different.  Took me a while to realize that, too, so I don't really blame people for being misinformed.

[Reelya]

I've taken to watching Shojo...
So far only one housemate has found out.
But I yelled that if they told anyone I'd kill them. absolutely.
But... If they wanted to watch them with me... That's fine.
Not that they're anything special to me! They're dumb! Really dumb!
Whatever!

Tsundere really isn't as much of a shojo thing however as it is in anime for guys.

In shonen/harem, you have the loser hero, and the hot girls who want him, but they play coy (hence, tsundere) so that the plot can remain in balance.

In shojo romcoms, you have the loser heroine, but she's usually dominated by the (rich) bad-boy love interest. Very often a borderline (or over the border) rapist. Sure, the girls in shojo are often upset about how they're treated. But since a lot of this stuff seems like borderline rape fantasy fuel for girls, it's actually understandable that they recoil from the guys at first. What is inexplicable is that they end up falling in love with the evil asshats.

[Descan]

But... If they wanted to watch them with me... That's fine.
Not that they're anything special to me! They're dumb! Really dumb!
Whatever!

Well, you're assimilating the tsun outlook quite nicely, at least.

Also you lie, neo. It's entirely possible to cook a steak for 18 hours without burning it. Just gotta' use low temperatures. There's more than one preparation method that calls for slow cooking. Thing tends to not be particularly coherent afterwards, but it's doable.

I suddenly want to make steak soup with nothing but a steak and a slow cooker.

[Eric Blank]

Then do so.


So today my father and I went to change the tires on my car. Broke one stud off one tire hub and two off the other, because apparently whoever was hired to do it last put the bolts on way too tight. Since It wouldn't be safe to drive now... I get to figure out how I'm supposed to get home tomorrow night.

[Arx]

I suddenly want to make steak soup with nothing but a steak and a slow cooker.

Won't be enough liquid for more than a thick gravy, I should think.

So today my father and I went to change the tires on my car. Broke one stud off one tire hub and two off the other, because apparently whoever was hired to do it last put the bolts on way too tight. Since It wouldn't be safe to drive now... I get to figure out how I'm supposed to get home tomorrow night.

Ouch, good luck. Ridiculous that someone paid for that kind of thing wouldn't have a torque wrench...

[NJW2000]

Hmph.

Spoiler: rant about "recreational" maths (click to show/hide)

I find it so annoying when non-mathematical people can't understand or even comprehend the fact that maths can be beautiful.

I had to make a list of interests for a careers interview, and the adviser dealt with theatre, art, reading, creative writing, politics and history from the list entirely normally, then, when she got to maths, raised her eyebrow at me and said, "so you like doing... maths problems in your spare time? For the challenge?"

She didn't act as if I was weird as such, just as if it was something contrary to her previous impression of me, as a studious but reasonably mature in his interests (i.e. not interested in schoolwork for schoolwork's sake) boy, and seemed more like something a (stereo)typical teacher's pet much younger than me with no friends or interests would do. And everything I said after that to try and explain it just gained me points on the "autism" meter, I could see it clearly from her expression.

I mean yes, it's entirely subjective, but that's precisely why it's so annoying: if mathematicians like me can perceive beauty, it has to be there in some form: beauty is entirely subjective.

It just makes me so bloody angry, the way people think can be unintelligible. I mean, I don't speak Russian, and know that it would likely be an arduous and rather difficult process for me to learn and become involved in Russian to the point where I can really appreciate, poetry, say, in it, but I can comprehend the fact that there is poetry in Russian. And people just seem to find it so hard to get the fact that there is poetry in maths, too.

They don't have to be able to see it, or even find a good analogue for it, but I wish people, even those that self-diagnose with discalculia, would just not act as if maths is some weird and different thing when people use it as anything other than a means to an end. I learn mathematics because it is interesting. Language is a means to an end, originally, for Christ's sake. If a dyslexic started talking about how uninteresting every writer ever was, and what dross the written word is, people would not be so accommodating.

[Yoink]

Math: not even once.

[Tack]

I've taken to watching Shojo...

Here's your complementary feels tissue and shipping ruleset :v

Dang right!

Remember kids, Ships float, canons sink! At least once the pages soak through.
>triple metaphor. I am on Fire<

[scrdest]

Math: not even once.

Almost everyone who ever did math is dead or dying. Coincidence? I think not!

[Tack]

Math is the oldest language which hasn't yet died.
Profund.

Or. I have a hankering to administer profundity to anything I can get my hands on.
In it's own way... The phenomenon... Yes. Profound.

I must meditate.

[Flying Dice]

Actually, IIRC it's pretty recently been uncovered that a lot of the vape fluids are carcinogenic.

Well yes, all of the nicotine ones. Unless they found out the "non-nicotine" ones are as well.

Nicotine isn't a carcinogen. The cancer, emphysema, &c. came from inhaling a bunch of tar-filled smoke with all sorts of nasty additives, which is why vapes were initially touted as a healthy alternative to smoking. The issue with vapes is that researchers found high levels of formaldehyde in the vapor--something like 5x-15x as much as in cigarette smoke under reasonable usage conditions.

Yep but reading the article it seems that the condition for it to produce formaldehyde is unrealistic for most (if not all) people.

As the article said it is the equivalent of a steak that has been cooked for 18 hours. Sure it is full of carcinogens, but it is also charcoal.

...No, the article did not say that.

Conley compares it to overcooking a steak.

The conditions under which the formaldehyde was produced (the maximum possible output) produced a cloud of boiling vapor that no human could ingest without severe pain. At any level possible to use, there is none. The scientist claims, based on the amount of vapor that he sees people produce, "many" people use the dangerous setting, but that is not necessary to produce large clouds.

Here we present results of an analysis of commercial e-liquid vaporized with the use of a “tank system” e-cigarette featuring a variable-voltage battery. The aerosolized liquid was collected in an NMR spectroscopy tube (10 50-ml puffs over 5 minutes; 3 to 4 seconds per puff). With each puff, 5 to 11 mg of e-liquid was consumed, and 2 to 6 mg of liquid was collected. At low voltage (3.3 V), we did not detect the formation of any formaldehyde-releasing agents (estimated limit of detection, approximately 0.1 μg per 10 puffs). At high voltage (5.0 V), a mean (±SE) of 380±90 μg per sample (10 puffs) of formaldehyde was detected as formaldehyde-releasing agents. Extrapolating from the results at high voltage, an e-cigarette user vaping at a rate of 3 ml per day would inhale 14.4±3.3 mg of formaldehyde per day in formaldehyde-releasing agents. This estimate is conservative because we did not collect all of the aerosolized liquid, nor did we collect any gas-phase formaldehyde. One estimate of the average delivery of formaldehyde from conventional cigarettes is approximately 150 μg per cigarette,3 or 3 mg per pack of 20 cigarettes. Daily exposures of formaldehyde associated with cigarettes, e-cigarettes from the formaldehyde gas phase, and e-cigarettes from aerosol particles containing formaldehyde-releasing agents are shown in Figure 1.

Standard voltage on most vapes is 3.7 V. The high voltage setting which was the basis for the claims (5 V) is well within the ideal range for vaping (example here). The upper range for vaping without burning the juice or damaging the coil is 8 V. I haven't been able to dig up a single mention anywhere of the heat of the vapor being a health concern because of potential scalding. Pretty much any vaping-centric source will tell you that it's a matter of the blend you use and personal preference; 3.3 V isn't just low, it's at the very bottom end of the spectrum most people who use this stuff talk about.