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[Sirus]

Never liked Ashley all that much for any number of reasons, but that is certainly one of them. She's a lot like the Turian Councillor

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

Ashley is just a bit of a space racist, if you talk to her between missions enough she basically says 'You're still my commander, dude, you say jump, I say how high'.
And at least she isn't as bad as come of the big picketers of space racism.
Wrex is a pretty dependable character, though, he's biologically at least a few hundred years, intelligent, hell, he can even get fairly emotional, pretty good for what equates to a mercenary.

[Tack]

Which is hilarious, because he's considered pretty cool-headed amongst the quad-knockers.

[Neonivek]

Playing Mass Effect and I'm really digging it so far. I understand the Mass Effect has it's share of writing problems like any story in the history of storytelling, but one in particular has been bothering me the whole time I've been playing. Ashley, supposedly a career soldier, is pretty quick to doubt the commands of her superior officer. I haven't even made any especially questionable decisions, besides releasing the Rachni queen (which Ashley wasn't even present for). As a matter of fact, Wrex, who I'd expect to be the least cooperative of the bunch, hasn't said anything either way about my decisions!

Yeah you need to switch your brain off during games made by this company. The games are meant to drive people with actual thinking capacity insane.

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

Playing Mass Effect and I'm really digging it so far. I understand the Mass Effect has it's share of writing problems like any story in the history of storytelling, but one in particular has been bothering me the whole time I've been playing. Ashley, supposedly a career soldier, is pretty quick to doubt the commands of her superior officer. I haven't even made any especially questionable decisions, besides releasing the Rachni queen (which Ashley wasn't even present for). As a matter of fact, Wrex, who I'd expect to be the least cooperative of the bunch, hasn't said anything either way about my decisions!

Yeah you need to switch your brain off during games made by this company. The games are meant to drive people with actual thinking capacity insane.

Hey, Reapers do mess with your mind.

[itisnotlogical]

How would you feel if your CO started outsourcing the good of your species to a bunch of shifty aliens?

Humanity has been whining for decades that they weren't part of the Cool Intergalactic Politics Club, and now that they have a human Spectre they're bellyaching about having to *gasp* work with aliens? Humans in Mass Effect are stupid, I should let the Reapers take them all

[MetalSlimeHunt]

How would you feel if your CO started outsourcing the good of your species to a bunch of shifty aliens?

Humanity has been whining for decades that they weren't part of the Cool Intergalactic Politics Club, and now that they have a human Spectre they're bellyaching about having to *gasp* work with aliens? Humans in Mass Effect are stupid, I should let the Reapers take them all

Why should humans have to bow to aliens at all? Should have just released a von-Neuman swarm on the lot of them back at Shanxi.

[Execute/Dumbo.exe]

Actually, most of the humans are fine working with aliens *cough*Asari*cough* it's just that a small subset of humans dislike relying on aliens because they feel it demeans them, the only reason Ashley 'hates' aliens was because her dad did.

[GiglameshDespair]

Humanity's first contact ended in an invasion and nearly a full scale war, and indeed a shadow war between batarians and humans regularly sees human colonies raided and enslaved with little help from the council.

The other species are ambivalent or vaguely antagonistic towards humanity. Even an outright destruction of a human colony by the geth is met with a shrug and 'lol human matter'. Cerberus is silly, but there's a genuine reason people might not like letting aliens you've known for minutes on board the ship of secret tech.

[Tack]

Yeah you need to switch your brain off during games made by this company. The games are meant to drive people with actual thinking capacity insane.

I personally find their games pretty freaking cool, and with reasonably good plotlines.

[Orange Wizard]

inb4 Neo is the only one of us with actual thinking capacity

[Neonivek]

Yeah you need to switch your brain off during games made by this company. The games are meant to drive people with actual thinking capacity insane.

I personally find their games pretty freaking cool, and with reasonably good plotlines.

Their big issue is that their plotlines are good enough to be taken seriously

But not terrible enough to ignore the dumb parts.

To enjoy their games you have to be able to go "Yes this was dumb or even a huge gaping plothole... Moving on" and basically not think about it too much... while still being able to fixate on the good stuff.

Unlike say... Bioshock Infinite where the storyline was just dumb from start to finish and thus you could ignore all the idiocy because the game was moronic.

Or Diablo 3 where it was not only bad but hilariously terrible!

[Tack]

Diablo III had a small issue with their release... mostly being 'Don't put a plot-twist in a game which requires 3 playthroughs to unlock the hardest difficulty'.

[Neonivek]

Diablo III had a small issue with their release... mostly being 'Don't put a plot-twist in a game which requires 3 playthroughs to unlock the hardest difficulty'.

You honestly could make a long list of the tonal, canonical, and just flat out dumb issues with the game.

I certainly once tried... and given that I was able to write a list of just the first chapter of the game alone... yeah that is saying something.

Bioshock Infinite as much as it is made out of pure distilled nonsense cannot compete with Diablo 3... It honestly just about reached the pinnacle of human dumbchievement

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Edit addition: Also what twist? The game had TONS of twists...tons of terrible twists.

[itisnotlogical]

Given that the plot summary sounded like the worst kind of fanfiction when Diablo's story wasn't all that great to begin with, I'd believe it.

The weird thing is, Diablo II was just inches away from having an actual plot. The cutscenes were awesome, on par with some of the pre-rendered scenes from Starcraft: Brood War, and I liked the things that were hinted and implied (such as the fate of the Rogue and Sorcerer from Diablo 1). Marius' and Tyrael's (Baal disguised as Tyrael, anyway) voice actors were excellent. With some less campy in-game voice acting and slower gameplay akin to the original game, D2 might have actually had a story that somebody could care about.