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[Sergarr]

Then you have the "torture" that lock-in patients describe. Able to perceive, but unable to move or interact with the world in a meaningful way.

unlimited access to internet should fix that one.

[Loud Whispers]

Fuck up the bits of the cerebral cortex that deal with the senses so brainjar leader doesn't have to worry about sensory-deprivation induced hallucinations. Alternatively, give the brainjar cameras and microphones.

Then you have the "torture" that lock-in patients describe. Able to perceive, but unable to move or interact with the world in a meaningful way.

unlimited access to internet should fix that one.

A human brain with unlimited free time and access to the internet...!

Besides, we want brainjar to lead, not to spend all of their time downloading porn

[wierd]

whispers:

Take your run of the mill dictator.
Place him in a sealed panic room with a microphone connected to his subordinates.

You now have a functional analogue of the EmperorBrainJar you speak of.
Functionally indistinguishable from an ordinary tyrant; the only difference is that he relies on his subbordinates to sustain him-- But then again so does a normal tyrant. (Did Ghadaffi grow his own food?)

[Sergarr]

If normal people with unlimited access to internet do not spend all their time downloading porn, then jar brains probably would not do that, too.

[wierd]

No, normal humans with unlimited internet spend all their time on Facebook.

[Loud Whispers]

You can't quality control dictators. You can quality control brainjars. Panic rooms are safe, brainjars are fragile. Brainjars have no charisma, they have no identity to be loyal to. Their voice synthesizers can be made to be deliberately grating. Only their reason can be their sole basis of worth. Thereby ensuring their quality as a leader, or as an insane brainjar ready to be squished and replaced with another.

[Helgoland]

Who downloads porn anyway? Streaming has been a thing for ages.

[wierd]

Downloads are for vacations that lack internet access, or where access is too slow to stream reliably.

Also, pirate content.

--

Whispers:

Still just a tyrant. Charisma is not the quality of the voice, but what is said.  A book of poems can inspire, just as much as a live poet.

[Loud Whispers]

Enlightened brainjar despot rules well, cannot be self-serving because it has no self to serve, it must act through its human arms - which we are assuming the humans serve the brainjar and not some other state branch run by humans of course. Or that the brainjar leader holds direct executive power and is not limited, or merely advising human leaders, or holds power that is checked by humans.

[wierd]

That is true of all tyrants. Enlightened ones rule well.

All tyrants work through the agency of others. You have introduced nothing truly novel.

[Frumple]

... okay, folks. This discussion has crapped up the WTF thread for like four or five pages in the default ppp. Please get out.

Pretty sure we actually have threads for the AI discussion. Go resurrect them and go away.

[wierd]

Was wondering when that was going to happen. 

[Loud Whispers]

Spoiler: edit spoiler because ninjas (click to show/hide)

That is true of all tyrants. Enlightened ones rule well.
All tyrants work through the agency of others. You have introduced nothing truly novel.

Brainjar:

• Leader with all of their experience and knowledge retained
• Fair and impartial with no individual ego to fulfill personal ambition
• Is a brainjar
• Understands the human condition
• People must see brainjar's arguments for reason, and not because politician is sexy (as good looks improve a politician's popularity)
• Can be killed at any moment's notice if above pros fail

AI:

• Smarter than people
• May be an existential threat to human survival

Which would you pick?

[wierd]

AI.

Brain in jar cannot meet its own criteria. It *IS* an ego, in a jar.

Per request, this topic should go elsewhere.

[Loud Whispers]

I'm making a poll