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Dutchling

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #78705 on: June 10, 2015, 01:27:46 pm »

Yes? I thought we all agreed to let George do that.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #78706 on: June 10, 2015, 01:30:47 pm »

And is the software for the voting all written by a single dude with no quality control?

Again, I direct you to the underhanded C contest.

The source code LOOKS INNOCENT, and may even operate as expected under automated testing-- but STILL perform a malicious function in the wild, BY DESIGN.


This kind of computer programming is possible, and is possible by lay hackers. THAT IS THE POINT OF THE COMPETITION.

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #78707 on: June 10, 2015, 01:38:01 pm »

Yeah, lots of separate people.

Just because paper ballets aren't perfect doesn't mean they aren't better than the alternatives.
Less people than you'd think, more often than not. It does not take a lot of people to thoroughly screw a paper ballot count, as we've seen multiple times throughout history. You just have to have the right people in the right places, which is less trouble than it should be in a lot of areas.

We should actually see about whether paper ballots are better than the alternatives before we start shitting on said alternatives. Still working through implementation for digital, so let's give it some time.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #78708 on: June 10, 2015, 01:38:58 pm »

And is the software for the voting all written by a single dude with no quality control?

Again, I direct you to the underhanded C contest.

The source code LOOKS INNOCENT, and may even operate as expected under automated testing-- but STILL perform a malicious function in the wild, BY DESIGN.


This kind of computer programming is possible, and is possible by lay hackers. THAT IS THE POINT OF THE COMPETITION.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #78709 on: June 10, 2015, 01:39:14 pm »

Then do a manual test run with the software beforehand and see if the results check out? Not gonna deny fraud is a serious potential problem for electronic voting, but I doubt it's impossible to put in enough safeguards for it to work.

Maybe hold whoever writes any of the code directly responsible in case of problems, and don't outsource it to the lowest bidder.
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« Reply #78710 on: June 10, 2015, 01:39:41 pm »

don't outsource it to the lowest bidder.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #78711 on: June 10, 2015, 01:39:59 pm »

Gonna be difficult to make them do the latter there.
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« Reply #78712 on: June 10, 2015, 01:40:48 pm »

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #78713 on: June 10, 2015, 01:43:07 pm »

Obviously, the solution is to, instead of a single vote counting program, use dozens of thousands of different ones.

There's no way this can possibly backfire!
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #78714 on: June 10, 2015, 01:54:48 pm »

why not let people vote on which one to use
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« Reply #78715 on: June 10, 2015, 01:57:17 pm »

Or just provide both options. Though I guess that could be the third ballot option, just above the write in.
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« Reply #78716 on: June 10, 2015, 02:00:59 pm »

why not let people vote on which one to use
why not let people vote on which people would vote on which one to use

it's the old american tradition isn't it
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #78717 on: June 10, 2015, 03:52:32 pm »

H-haps thread is locked? Uh oh.
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« Reply #78718 on: June 10, 2015, 03:55:28 pm »

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« Reply #78719 on: June 10, 2015, 03:56:11 pm »

What did you guys do THIS time?
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