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[Orange Wizard]

And "losing sales" is bullcrap anyway - someone who pirates a thing probably wasn't going to pay for it anyway.

[UXLZ]

The lost sales argument is COMPLETELY fallacious because you cannot prove intent (at least in regards to piracy.)

What are you talking about though, Neonivek? Which company?

[Neonivek]

No you don't get me.

We aren't talking about a company saying that people pirated their product INSTEAD of buying it.

They are complaining because people pirated their product and then told people what it was like... and because it was so bad, they lost sales.

As in they were complaining that piracy created too much public awareness of their dodgy product.

[UXLZ]

I was responding to OW.

Anyway, what company? :v

[Neonivek]

I was responding to OW.

Anyway, what company? :v

Disney off the top of my head.

But this has happened before. Often when a company knows their product is lacking they try to find ways to prevent the public from knowing. Such as preventing test screenings or making fake reviews or even indirectly paying for positive reviews.

[Orange Wizard]

I was responding to OW.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. I might've phrased it poorly.

...

They are complaining because people pirated their product and then told people what it was like... and because it was so bad, they lost sales.

As in they were complaining that piracy created too much public awareness of their dodgy product.

That's also bullcrap. I could have bought the thing and then told people it was garbage. What're they going to then? Blame sales for lost sales?

[Neonivek]

In this case Orange Wizard the pirated product came out first.

So people became aware it was a bad product before it was even officially released. So they didn't get any of their "ignorance" sales which would have made up 80-90% of their total sales.

[KingofstarrySkies]

That happens to literally every game ever on the planet.

Fuck, it's what I do if a game doesn't have a demo. I don't like wasting my goddamn money. And if, in my opinion, it's bad or not worth the money, I'll uninstall it, and wait for it go on sale if the latter.

In this case Orange Wizard the pirated product came out first.

So people became aware it was a bad product before it was even officially released. So they didn't get any of their "ignorance" sales which would have made up 80-90% of their total sales.

...How the fuck would that get out?

[Neonivek]

Leaks happen

[KingofstarrySkies]

Rarely.

[Orange Wizard]

Is it really piracy if it's a leaked copy? I mean, it's not like they're going to legally sell it.

[Arx]

I was - briefly - considering printing off a 240 page doctoral thesis to use as a source for a controlled essay. Bit impractical, though.

It would have been amazing just to see the reactions, though.

[Yoink]

I don't have any reason to get this kebab, but I don't have any reason not to, either.

[hector13]

That happens to literally every game ever on the planet.

Fuck, it's what I do if a game doesn't have a demo. I don't like wasting my goddamn money. And if, in my opinion, it's bad or not worth the money, I'll uninstall it, and wait for it go on sale if the latter.

+1

Did this with ME1 and 2 (bought both, twice) and Fallout New Vegas (bought it + all DLC... twice) amongst other games, that I didn't buy, because of many reasons (FUCK YOU EA!)

I don't understand why folk don't offer demos very much anymore. If you think your game is shite, you don't really have a right to say that piracy causing bad publicity is an issue.

[Frumple]

Rarely.

... it's more common than you'd expect, especially for lower-key stuff. 0-day releases are basically a mark of pride for many groups, so there's a fair amount of internal pressure to get 'em. A lot of stuff gets out before public release these days, especially given the prevalence of closed alpha tests and whatnot. Were pretty common even before then, really.

Biggest obstacle to such things is it's fairly rare they hit more general distribution for a bit -- they're often disseminated through IRC or whatev' to begin with, with whatever group is providing it working as a (usually temporary) gatekeeper.