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[miauw62]

There was some weird theater thing at my school about world war 1 (it sort of sucked, my best friend was literally sleeping for most of it), and at the end they showed some war graves.
Thing is, some of the war graves were German war graves (ok so far) in Normandy from WW2. I know because I actually visited them

[BlackFlyme]

Well, I can add the phone ringing to the list things that set off my mom's boyfriend.

He started screaming at her after it started ringing. I think it might be because no-one ever phones the house for him.

He also blamed her for things that his son said to him yesterday. He was screaming at his son after they did some yard work because his son didn't do it as perfectly as he would have liked, so his son stood up for himself.

[MaximumZero]

People like that deserve to be punched down. Literally.

[TD1]

Moral relativism is dumb. Wanting a five hundred word version of that four word sentence is even worse.

Better than moral absolutism.

[Descan]

I prefer the mixture of the two that basically comes down to "Because of our shared social ancestry in pre-homo apes, the really big stuff, like murder, rape, stealing, lying, most people agree they're (generally) wrong, unless they're mentally ill or in extraordinary circumstances. The rest of it tends to be cultural."

[hops]

If it was me I'd argue that even the Nazi found the concentration camp horrifying.

[TD1]

I prefer the mixture of the two that basically comes down to "Because of our shared social ancestry in pre-homo apes, the really big stuff, like murder, rape, stealing, lying, most people agree they're (generally) wrong, unless they're mentally ill or in extraordinary circumstances. The rest of it tends to be cultural."

Yea, I think something similar.

[Darvi]

Moral relativism is dumb. Wanting a five hundred word version of that four word sentence is even worse.

Better than moral absolutism.

I prefer moral dadaism.

[RedKing]

Moral relativism is dumb. Wanting a five hundred word version of that four word sentence is even worse.

Better than moral absolutism.

I prefer moral dadaism.

It's okay to steal, because my fish is blue.

[TD1]

I prefer the mixture of the two that basically comes down to "Because of our shared social ancestry in pre-homo apes, the really big stuff, like murder, rape, stealing, lying, most people agree they're (generally) wrong, unless they're mentally ill or in extraordinary circumstances. The rest of it tends to be cultural."

Yea, I think something similar.

Though, I should that I think all the murder, etc., rules are still relative, just that we should follow them. They're not absolute laws, but they should be as close as we can make them.

[Flying Dice]

If it was me I'd argue that even the Nazi found the concentration camp horrifying.

True believers? No. Remember, too, that the camp system got its start well before they began racial purification, as a way to isolate and indoctrinate members of their society. Likewise, the death camps were a way to avoid the psychological effects of participating in mass shootings that they ran in to earlier. As far as most of Germany was concerned, the death camps were something along the lines of, "We know enough to know that we don't want to know." (Though again this doesn't really account for things like the mass flood of letters and pictures sent home by soldiers about killing POWs and various undesirables.)

Admittedly, it's a nice little trap for the ones clever enough to suspect the "obvious" answer of 'no' is a trap but not clever enough to read the class materials or pay attention.

A trap?

The obvious answer to, "Is it morally acceptable to stop Nazis from committing genocide?" is yes. A student who has something between their skull will think that that is too obvious if it's left to their common sense; ergo, a clever student who has not payed attention to the class will answer "yes" because it's the opposite of the obvious answer, while one who has will answer "no" for the reason previously mentioned.

Though given that most moral relativists tend to be anthropologists and the like trying to excuse horrendous practices because they're part of a given culture, they'd probably answer "yes" because if you interfere with Nazis committing genocide, you also interfere with systematic child abuse, genital mutilation, &c.

[Helgoland]

Moral relativism is dumb. Wanting a five hundred word version of that four word sentence is even worse.

Better than moral absolutism.

I prefer moral dadaism.

Have you ever tried reading Camus? As far as I can tell he advocates absurdism, which is kinda like that.

[Darvi]

Moral relativism is dumb. Wanting a five hundred word version of that four word sentence is even worse.

Better than moral absolutism.

I prefer moral dadaism.

Have you ever tried reading Camus? As far as I can tell he advocates absurdism, which is kinda like that.

L'Étranger is basically the only French literature I find bearable.

[Graknorke]

Admittedly, it's a nice little trap for the ones clever enough to suspect the "obvious" answer of 'no' is a trap but not clever enough to read the class materials or pay attention.

A trap?

The obvious answer to, "Is it morally acceptable to stop Nazis from committing genocide?" is yes. A student who has something between their skull will think that that is too obvious if it's left to their common sense; ergo, a clever student who has not payed attention to the class will answer "yes" because it's the opposite of the obvious answer, while one who has will answer "no" for the reason previously mentioned.

Regardless of the answer, I don't think that's the kind of thing where you can be wrong, exactly. Especially when the context is moral relativism.

[Lord Shonus]

If it was me I'd argue that even the Nazi found the concentration camp horrifying.

True believers? No. Remember, too, that the camp system got its start well before they began racial purification, as a way to isolate and indoctrinate members of their society. Likewise, the death camps were a way to avoid the psychological effects of participating in mass shootings that they ran in to earlier. As far as most of Germany was concerned, the death camps were something along the lines of, "We know enough to know that we don't want to know." (Though again this doesn't really account for things like the mass flood of letters and pictures sent home by soldiers about killing POWs and various undesirables.)

It should be noted that the entire reason they were called concentration camps is because it was an innocuous-sounding name that wouldn't raise any red flags, the same reason why the British invented the term during the Boer War. The entire system was buried in euphemism, double meaning, and outright lies for the sole purpose of allowing those not directly involved not to look at it directly. Note that it wasn't until the 1943 Warsaw Ghetto Uprising that a significant number of Jews began actively resisting (as opposed to Anne-Frank style passive resisting by hiding) "relocation", and that wasn't due to any passivity among the Jews themselves. They simply weren't aware that the camps were designed to wipe them out, and believed that their chances were better if they tried to survive the no-doubt harsh conditions than if they tried to fight back. For that matter, many of the things Hitler said during the war strongly suggest that a "Final Solution to The Polish Question", would have taken place once the war had been won and he was finished with the Jews, gays, and Romani.

The use of extermination camps wasn't, by itself, a replacement for the mass shootings such as Babi Yar, and IIRC some of the early camps used shooting for their executions.  They introduced the death truck and the gas chamber to make it easier on the guards after the extermination camps were already in place.