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[Neonivek]

Nonbinary spectrum is a thing. Don't have to be part of box A or box B.

... Though Ladies and Gentlemen is a weird thing to get upset about I will admit.

Very true.

There is of course Masculine Non-gender and Feminine Non-Gender and Spectrum Non-gender

These are made up terms mind you. Mostly for things without gender, but who are engendered.

[Orange Wizard]

What, like chairs or tables or whatever in many European languages? Seeing as Spanish and Italian and so on usually have masculine and feminine pronouns for inanimate objects.

[Neonivek]

What, like chairs or tables or whatever in many European languages? Seeing as Spanish and Italian and so on usually have masculine and feminine pronouns for inanimate objects.

No... like the Pinatas from Viva Pinata.

They are all genderless but either identify as having gender or having masculine or feminine personas when they aren't truly genderless.

[Orange Wizard]

... what?

[Neonivek]

... what?

Engendered traits without gender... and engendered persona without gender.

and this is why people simplify gender... Because once you expand it you are suddenly blinded by a kaleidoscope. A mental Color sprey and everyone has only one hit dice.

[Orange Wizard]

What the sod is an engendered trait? Also, if your persona is engendered (assuming this means something like "has a gender attributed to it") do you not then have a gender, making the whole genderless argument pointless?

[Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum]

Engendered looks a lot like endangered...

[Neonivek]

What the sod is an engendered trait? Also, if your persona is engendered (assuming this means something like "has a gender attributed to it") do you not then have a gender, making the whole genderless argument pointless?

No, you can be engendered and genderless and genderfluid all at the same time.

[Reelya]

Singular They works perfectly fine, and anybody who says otherwise is a fool. :I

For those worried about correct "traditional" usage, Singular They goes back to at least the time of Chaucer and is attested in much of the "great" literature. Forcing it to be plural only goes back to the late 19th century and is an artificial construct by linguistics experts, not actual language speakers or respected authors.

In fact, Singular You is even more bullshit than Singular They if you go by the same arguments made. One main argument against Singular They is that "they is" sounds wrong hence it can't be singular. Apply that to "you is" and you see the flaw with this argument. An objective argument must hold as a general case, and this doesn't as long as you accept "you are" as a singular usage as well. In fact, Singular You is a recent construct. It used to be plural only, with "thou" being the singular version. Thou disappeared and You became ambiguously singular or plural. So the argument that the plurality of "they" is ambiguous and therefore it shouldn't be used also applies to the word "you", and we don't see anyone calling for a return to "thou".

So, Singular They wins out in terms of historical basis and usage by the greatest writers in the English language, and the only syntactical arguments against it fall flat on their face when compared to other word usages like "you". Also, our usage of You as singular would be reviled by the classic novelists as abhorrent misuse of language.

[RedWarrior0]

Oh god it feels like I'm so close to done with undergrad. This summer should be my last summer while still in school and that thought is utterly terrifying. Even though it's not winter yet the windows of opportunity for finding a summer job or research opportunity or something are closing fast.

[Orange Wizard]

What the sod is an engendered trait? Also, if your persona is engendered (assuming this means something like "has a gender attributed to it") do you not then have a gender, making the whole genderless argument pointless?

No, you can be engendered and genderless and genderfluid all at the same time.

I'm very close to throwing my hands up in the air and screaming something to the effect of "NONE OF THESE WORDS MEAN ANYTHING!"

Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about right now. Very little of what you have said makes sense to me.

Engendered looks a lot like endangered...

Also this. Google thought it was that, as well. Hm.

[TamerVirus]

You people....

[Gentlefish]

It's all about boxes, wizard friend. Some people really hate having just two boxes. Is it so bad that they want more in order to more accurately describe themselves?

[Spehss _]

You people....

What do you mean, "you people"? You people can't just go around saying "you people" to people!

[Arcvasti]

* Arcvasti makes a box fortress to become unassailable