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[Iceblaster]

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[My Name is Immaterial]

There are certain thinks that I dont want to think. That was one of them.

[Descan]

Jon's got a nice pair of... eyes on him though.

[Frumple]

Hrm. Which rule is the genderswap rule, again? Sixty something?

[Flying Dice]

Hrm. Which rule is the genderswap rule, again? Sixty something?

63, I think?

[Putnam]

I just heard a Rogue Legacy dev call Rogue Legacy a "Roguelike".

Is everything a Roguelike? If that game's a Roguelike, then Zelda 2 and Guacamelee and Dwarf Fortress are Roguelikes.

[10ebbor10]

Yes, the term seems to be degenerating quite quickly. Nowadays, it means little more than: "dying is part of the gameplay".

[Sirus]

I just heard a Rogue Legacy dev call Rogue Legacy a "Roguelike".

Is everything a Roguelike? If that game's a Roguelike, then Zelda 2 and Guacamelee and Dwarf Fortress are Roguelikes.

Single player character.
Randomly generated levels.
Perma-death.

As far as I'm concerned, those are the only things needed to be considered a roguelike. Zelda 2 and Guacamelee have neither of the last two criteria and thus don't count.
And since when is DF (adventurer mode, at least) not considered a roguelike?

[Putnam]

Adventurer mode doesn't have perma-death in the same vein as, say, Rogue or Nethack; the world sticks around and doesn't change and you can revisit locations that your dead adventurers found and take their stuff.

[Sirus]

But can't you find your previous adventurers and their stuff in Nethack? Isn't that what the "bones" files are for?
Dunno about Rogue, never played it.

[Putnam]

Yes, but the world (the dungeon, that is) is regenerated every time; you cannot revisit the same dungeon.

[Kedly]

I too, was under the impression that adventure mode was definitely a roguelike

[Frumple]

Oh gods. The "What's a Roguelike" thing. Again. Again again. Again again again again.

The definition has expanded. It will likely expand more. It will never reach omnidefinitional -- applicable to anything -- to any meaningful degree. Suck it up. More investigations into the central themes and methodologies of the overarching roguelike genre is a good thing. Let it be good. Embrace the change. Enjoy the new roguelikes.

Yes, but the world (the dungeon, that is) is regenerated every time; you cannot revisit the same dungeon.

... nethack has portions of the dungeon that are more or less the same, every time. Being able to revisit a dungeon and have it be the same hasn't been a problem since people started screwing with persistent levels (which was at least as far back as Angband.). Cross-character persistence isn't very common but it's not exactly a meaningful thematic shift. There's been other roguelikes that had the same feature, iirc.

[Tiruin]

Oh gods. The "What's a Roguelike" thing. Again. Again again. Again again again again.

I was under the impression that adventure mode was a roguelike, and Fortress Mode was some sort of roguelike/4x hybrid thing.

I too, was under the impression that adventure mode was definitely a roguelike

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Isn't Adventure mode a Roguelike?

[Frumple]

Yes. Yes, DF's adventure mode is a roguelike.