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« Reply #39495 on: October 29, 2013, 11:03:55 pm »

That moment when you accidentally stumble into the calendar with all the birthdays on it, and you realize that you recognize some of the people there. And now you know how old they are/will be.

Feels a bit dirty, like I'm a Peeping Tom or something.

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« Reply #39496 on: October 30, 2013, 12:45:14 am »

I've known about that sort of thing for a while. I will never forget the time I began encountering evangelists while playing online games. Yes, they were trying to convert people.
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« Reply #39497 on: October 30, 2013, 01:58:38 am »

Ok sex sells is going WAAAAAY too overboard for videogame adds on the net.

Dear goodness I saw a woman with flashing growing breasts where the implication was that I was going to "feed her" which unless I am going to feed her, her own endowment then... well... This thread isn't rated high enough for me to say.

And this wasn't from any illicit site either.

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Also seriously the oversized breasts thing REALLY needs to stop. Now the "Super sized boobies is funny" Joke, that was always so transparent that they just wanted a woman with super sized breasts, is getting a bit rampant now.

It was always stupid and not sexy and not funny.

Now I am not saying that breasts cannot come in many shapes and sizes or "Women with large breasts should be shunned because women cannot look sexy and should be put on a pedestal so they can be protected like the small fragile birdies they are"... but that isn't really the case in this situation.

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Also I am also kind of STUNNED at how gender politics has kind of changed and evolved over time. I watched a movie that basically said that pornography, as in all and any, is disrespectful towards women.

Yet oddly enough since the movie was made that sort of idea has started to become toned down. Which I can ONLY guess, not watching porn myself (which always gets me a "yeah right" but whatever), is because the idea that "women can watch porn" is a thing now.

It actually made that scene in the movie where the guy was harassed because he was disrespecting women by owning it, sort of odd and almost outdated in general secularized thinking... Based purely on my observation of media and conversation.

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Ugh, how am I supposed to pick up on social norms and conventions if they keep changing on me?

It has lead me to the conclusion that anything offensive, is offensive because of subjective reasons. Or rather what is offensive is only offensive in that period of time and subject to change.

But at the same time the REAL cause of that, beyond people evolving and learning things as they go which is probably the major cause (after all we don't think Single men are icky anymore), is very possibly just politics.

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And yet this entire subject always goes back to a lecture I had about the history of motherhood. Where the lecturer's basic idea was that modern motherhood was an attempt by "The vague and all powerful collection of men" to put women back into the home by putting undue requirements onto them and guilt them if they do not do this.

Which ignoring the "Men's fault" that I think is always the lazy default (Women's lives do not revolve around men... At least "I" believe they can come up with ideas and opinions of their own that aren't created to try to appease men. That and "I" am a man, and I do not consult other men on the best way to keep women down, nor do I know anyone, even actual sexists, who do... making it seem more like a boogeyman statement), it was an actual interesting topic that has some grain of truth.

Not so much that I honestly think there was an antagonistic force behind it... but that it is possible many of the conventions of modern child rearing could be holdouts from a bygone era reinforced by a sort of "return to basics" after women were suddenly starting to amass in the work force / political spectrum.

But I need to reread my notes.

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Which actually brings me to just the sort of idea of the vague quasi-all powerful mass of men that never sat right with me.

Since the idea is that women are so disadvantaged that everything they are, all their thoughts, and all their opinions are formed entirely by men. The clothes they like to wear they like only because men like it. The fact that women dress up for other women is because "They are competing with other men". If a woman is trying to better herself she is "trying to be a man".

Which the reason I never liked this line of thinking, beyond the fact that it demonizes me for existing but I am also a first world white male so frankly I am already a half-demon, is that it puts women at such a overwhelming disadvantage that... It makes caring about it pointless.

But how could I explain it...

In this fictional setting there was this slave race that was biologically created long ago. They care and serve for their masters and honestly think of themselves as servants and as below their masters. You want them to dig themselves out of that and become people in their own right with their own interests that don't revolve around servitude, but at the same time you understand that it isn't possible because their very being is indentured servitude. Heck the Lesson of the House Elves in Harry Potter was that Hermione needed to learn that they are not human beings and that "servitude" is a genuine need and desire for them to have, and that what they really needed to do is ensure that they can do without the harsh treatment or abuse many of their kind receive.

So for women in the situation of such overwhelming disadvantage, it hits the same problem. If a woman revolves so entirely around men... How could you change it? Any change would only be there to serve men. It would just be giving women another role and new standards. There needs to be some part of a woman that is her own, a part of society that isn't "man's" in order for that to work. Even if you would say that you are "giving autonomy" like you are letting a prisoner out of a prison. Yet when there is no prison then the prison is the person.

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I also don't like talking about these topics mostly because... I don't do what most people do and go "Well, I 'know' this is wrong and that is all I need to know"... I go "Ok, I am pretty sure this is wrong... but Why is it wrong?" mostly because well... Every evil is something people thought was right at one point.

So this means that I have to try to understand complex subjects and do so in ways that are considered outright insulting. Especially if I am in the middle of a conclusion.

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Ok WTF over.
« Last Edit: October 30, 2013, 02:31:50 am by Neonivek »
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« Reply #39498 on: October 30, 2013, 02:28:13 am »

Ugh, how am I supposed to pick up on social norms and conventions if they keep changing on me?
This is oddly hilarious to me.
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« Reply #39499 on: October 30, 2013, 02:32:57 am »

Me, I'm just hoping that society starts leaning towards a generalized "Shit's cool so long as you don't stab anyone" approach, rather than all the moralizing and prejudicing and shit.

Couple that with some basic income (civilized world already has universal healthcare, and basic income is (finally) gaining traction in some countries, so who knows?) and the whole "One for all and all for one" idea gaining traction, rather than a "I got mine, fuck you" idea as it stands... Society might turn out alright~

Then we can go to SPACE, bitches! :D

Edit: Just to clarify, to me a society like the above is a lot more stable re: Neonevik's complaint about shifting social mores and "That is good and this is bad and you are terrible for doing this except wait no not any more." Let an individual do what he wants as long as he's not hurting anyone, and keep a baseline of "You get enough money/resources to stay off the streets", and the rest... Well it doesn't really matter? Let it fall as it may.
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« Reply #39500 on: October 30, 2013, 02:46:54 am »

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Well it doesn't really matter?


Probably not. No one is going to care what my opinion is about sex politics.

Since my opinions are not extreme enough for many women who call themselves feminists, at least the ones I see who do lectures, teach, or in the media.

Nor is it extreme enough, in the other direction, to fit in with common gender politics.

Along with the fact that I am generally an outlier in everything I do if I am not being derivative (I dislike that I am more derivative then I care to be).

But it matters to me. I want to know things, or at least come to my own conclusions about things that I consider to matter... even if I cannot affect it at all.

SURE, I am never going to affect the price gap between low and high income families. Yet to me it is important to at least know if it is a problem, what could be done about it, and why it is an issue.
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« Reply #39501 on: October 30, 2013, 02:52:34 am »

that's not what I meant at all.

I just meant that if you let people live their lives without shame and you help keep them afloat if they need it, anything else doesn't matter and you can let things just happen without worrying.
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« Reply #39502 on: October 30, 2013, 02:56:29 am »

that's not what I meant at all.

I just meant that if you let people live their lives without shame and you help keep them afloat if they need it, anything else doesn't matter and you can let things just happen without worrying.

Because knowing is half the battle.

Also yeah that was a serious answer.
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« Reply #39503 on: October 30, 2013, 04:22:41 am »

I'm not sure what I just read.
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« Reply #39504 on: October 30, 2013, 08:41:09 am »

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« Reply #39505 on: October 30, 2013, 09:00:58 am »

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« Reply #39506 on: October 30, 2013, 09:02:36 am »

Tyrannosaurus Rex, Do Run.
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« Reply #39507 on: October 30, 2013, 09:03:33 am »

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« Reply #39508 on: October 30, 2013, 09:11:10 am »

Don't worry, guys, I don't think Sirus is a T-Rex. At least, I don't think so.
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« Reply #39509 on: October 30, 2013, 09:21:11 am »

The goddess of hookers may partake of the form those those she blows. The effect lingers, and persists across incarnations. By recalling the appropriate memories, Sirus may, indeed, become a T-Rex.

He doesn't, though. That would mean remembering exactly what the goddess of hookers was getting up to back in the Cretaceous period.
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