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[Bauglir]

Main practices that I'm aware of are getting drunk (Eight Immortals school) and controlled orgasm (no particular school, sometimes found in folklore as "dark" Taoism, particularly by evil women/fox spirits who use it vampirically).

The sexual arts arguably reached their climax between the end of the Han dynasty and the end of the Tang dynasty.

I see what they did there.

[Truean]

Main practices that I'm aware of are getting drunk (Eight Immortals school) and controlled orgasm (no particular school, sometimes found in folklore as "dark" Taoism, particularly by evil women/fox spirits who use it vampirically).

The sexual arts arguably reached their climax between the end of the Han dynasty and the end of the Tang dynasty.

I see what they did there.

[blush] Ok, that wordplay got a smile out of me. More for the clever than the subject matter but yes. Qualifies as "getting crap past the radar."

[Frumple]

So, he's jealous of his girlfriend spending time with the clearly gay (I'm in a dress shyly sitting on the couch at this point) friend? What... what does he think is gonna happen here?

He might be afraid that's her kink. If the Internet has taught me anything, it's that demure cross dressing male getting jumped by female(s) is most definitely a fetish. That... that's kinda' hot. *coughs* I mean, if you're being, uh. Objective? About things...? Ehehehe...

I mean, that's probably not what's going on, but...

[RedKing]

I really wonder if he would pull this if her friend were born a girl.... He might, actually, but I'd say a.) Less likely and less loudly, and b.) she'd have more ground somehow to say "she's my friend."

I'm going to go out on a very short limb here and say he'd suggest a threesome. The fact that some portion of him is probably still inclined to envision that scenario may be part of the problem.
"Mmm...man, that'd be hot."
"It's a dude!"
"Okay....I'm not sure how to feel about this. Quick, lash out so I don't have to consider the implications!"

Just sayin'. Things get complicated when things get complicated.

[Levi]

I suddenly felt old today when I discovered I had a fairly long hair coming out of my ear this morning.  I don't know how long its been growing, but it was kind of disturbing. 

[Truean]

So, he's jealous of his girlfriend spending time with the clearly gay (I'm in a dress shyly sitting on the couch at this point) friend? What... what does he think is gonna happen here?

He might be afraid that's her kink. If the Internet has taught me anything, it's that demure cross dressing male getting jumped by female(s) is most definitely a fetish. That... that's kinda' hot. *coughs* I mean, if you're being, uh. Objective? About things...? Ehehehe...

I mean, that's probably not what's going on, but...

The only way I want into her pants is to see if they fit me and I'd ordinarily prefer wearing a skirt anyhow, because they're usually prettier.

I guess rule 34 really doesn't have exceptions. Personally, this blows my mind. The idea of me being with a female like that is just, all kinds of not gonna happen. Have been flirted with and asked out by girls. If I don't trust her, then it ends in a polite no thank you. If I do trust her, then shopping and/or friends. I keep hearing that the majority of cross dressers are straight, but keep wondering if that's denial. [shrugs] Maybe it's just a different thing cause I'm trans?

I dunno. Do you honestly think he's worried about that kinda thing? 'Cause, if so then, I mean as far as I'm concerned that's inconceivable. Have never really thought of touching a girl like that, ever.

I really wonder if he would pull this if her friend were born a girl.... He might, actually, but I'd say a.) Less likely and less loudly, and b.) she'd have more ground somehow to say "she's my friend."

I'm going to go out on a very short limb here and say he'd suggest a threesome. The fact that some portion of him is probably still inclined to envision that scenario may be part of the problem.
"Mmm...man, that'd be hot."
"It's a dude!"
"Okay....I'm not sure how to feel about this. Quick, lash out so I don't have to consider the implications!"

Just sayin'. Things get complicated when things get complicated.

I ... um. Say huh? I honestly did not expect that one. I've heard the ones who really don't like the gays are sometimes gay themselves but I.... I dunno about that applying here. I certainly hope not. That'd be all kinds of awkward. Although if he wanted to drive me away that might do it or at least make me think about leaving real quick. He's mean, so I'm gonna pray that's certainly not it (also other reasons I hope this isn't it but yeah).

Just. Wow. Uh? [nervous look] Yeah, I'm gonna come back another time that's not now or when that thought is rolling around in his head if it's rolling around now, then it needs to stop.... 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/22/arts/design/a-catch-22-of-art-and-taxes-starring-a-stuffed-eagle.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all THe government should just seize that thing and give them the bird....

[RedKing]

I could be completely and utterly off-base on that one. But I'd hazard that even having to grasp with the idea of a transgender MtF wearing his girlfriend's dress.....it's probably at least making him aware that there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in his sexual philosophy. Which probably makes him uneasy.

Not saying he's justified, just saying I can see how he might be unnerved.

[Heliman]

At this point I'd wager that instead of jealousy, he's just homophobic (or at least a mixture of the two.) This is especially true considering that "family event" he said you couldn't go to awhile ago.

Like, he's certainly not jealous that you're wearing his GF's dresses, it's not likely that he wants to wear them himself . What's more likely is that he finds that some dude getting his sweat all over his GF's clothes is disgusting.

[Hanslanda]

People are afraid of what they don't understand. Anger is one of the basic responses to fear, seeing as how the two options in fight or flight (the fear response) are fight (get angry) or flight (avoid the issue).
Chances are that you being trans is inconcievable to him, and since he doesn't understand what it means, he is afraid of any of the possibilities you bring to a situation, regardless of the truth of the matter. So he gets angry, because for most guys, getting angry is considered 'more manly' and 'acceptable'. Thus his apparent 'jealousy' at you being with his girlfriend.
It's all basic psychology.

[Heliman]

People are afraid of what they don't understand. Anger is one of the basic responses to fear, seeing as how the two options in fight or flight (the fear response) are fight (get angry) or flight (avoid the issue).
Chances are that you being trans is inconcievable to him, and since he doesn't understand what it means, he is afraid of any of the possibilities you bring to a situation, regardless of the truth of the matter. So he gets angry, because for most guys, getting angry is considered 'more manly' and 'acceptable'. Thus his apparent 'jealousy' at you being with his girlfriend.
It's all basic psychology.

/freudianfive

[Frumple]

I dunno. Do you honestly think he's worried about that kinda thing? 'Cause, if so then, I mean as far as I'm concerned that's inconceivable. Have never really thought of touching a girl like that, ever.

Hell, I don't know the guy or his relationship with his beau, so, I have no actual idea if he's worried about something like that, really. Just kinda' throwing it out there.

It's inconceivable from your viewpoint, sure, but from his...? Maybe he knows somethin' more about 'is bed buddy than you're aware of.

It's pretty doubtful, but hey. It's a sexier thought than it just being some variation of homophobia, so I'm a little biased toward it. RK's a little more realistic, the two Hs probably closer to accuracy but... I'll admit. If I can bias my baseless conjecture toward the sexy, it makes my day a bit brighter.

[kaijyuu]

If I can bias my baseless conjecture toward the sexy, it makes my day a bit brighter.

Words to live by.

[Heliman]

Hell, I don't know the guy or his relationship with his beau, so, I have no actual idea if he's worried about something like that, really. Just kinda' throwing it out there.

Lol, a Beau is only used for boyfriends, Frumple. J/C is that an old word though, have you been reading Terry Pratchett?

[Truean]

I could be completely and utterly off-base on that one. But I'd hazard that even having to grasp with the idea of a transgender MtF wearing his girlfriend's dress.....it's probably at least making him aware that there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in his sexual philosophy. Which probably makes him uneasy.

Not saying he's justified, just saying I can see how he might be unnerved.

I hope you're way off base.... I suppose that's theoretically possible, just not with me. Not sure what I could ever say to convince him of this though. I understand where you're coming from as far as guessing his motives.

At this point I'd wager that instead of jealousy, he's just homophobic (or at least a mixture of the two.) This is especially true considering that "family event" he said you couldn't go to awhile ago.

Like, he's certainly not jealous that you're wearing his GF's dresses, it's not likely that he wants to wear them himself . What's more likely is that he finds that some dude getting his sweat all over his GF's clothes is disgusting.

Thankfully, a.) regular washing, and not much if any sweat but yeah. He could just have a problem with the idea of me in a dress and think it's gross or something, unfortunately. [shrugs].

People are afraid of what they don't understand. Anger is one of the basic responses to fear, seeing as how the two options in fight or flight (the fear response) are fight (get angry) or flight (avoid the issue).
Chances are that you being trans is inconcievable to him, and since he doesn't understand what it means, he is afraid of any of the possibilities you bring to a situation, regardless of the truth of the matter. So he gets angry, because for most guys, getting angry is considered 'more manly' and 'acceptable'. Thus his apparent 'jealousy' at you being with his girlfriend.
It's all basic psychology.

/freudianfive

Also possible I guess. [sigh].

I don't really know who I'm supposed to hang out with given that this kinda crap occurs. Many guys seem to be jerks/don't like the real me one bit. Some girls are nice about it and share interests with me, but have boyfriends who are not ok with me. [shrugs]. This narrows down the list of "people I can be myself with," quite a bit.... When shit goes wrong or they have to move though, then I can come around....

[kaijyuu]

I'd hang out with ya Truean. And you wouldn't have to worry about me stealing any of your booze, unlike other people on bay12 :O