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[itisnotlogical]

Gotcha. Won't say any further.

[Rolan7]

Even for Abandonware?  That sucks.

Man I would kill for a game like Castles.
Tried to DOSBOX it, but  CD-key + 5th page, 4th line, 3rd word.
DRM was better then than it is now.

I only played a little of Castles 1, it seemed inferior to Castles 2.  Which...  I now have a hankering to go replay a bit.

It still had the ability to custom-build castles, and the tactics of infantry/archers/knights, but the strategic game was surprisingly good.  The diplomacy system was actually better than Civilization/Master of Orion.  If only because of the Pope's influence, and the Lords didn't randomly declare war for literally no reason.

[Tack]

I just liked the custom build castles part.
I liked that it took a winter to put up a section of wall.

No modern games keep that..

[Graknorke]

Putting up a big wall takes a pretty long time in DF, especially if you need scaffolding too (which you will).

[wierd]

Modern gamers dont have the patience. They want instant gratification.  What do you think the major allure is with Freemium and "Free to play" (with in app purchases) are all about?

It certainly isnt about the challenge of the game. It's about the endorphins from "winning".

RE:DF scaffolding

Not if you make the wall double thick, and do it correctly.  Of course, getting Urist McDumbass to do it in the correct order is mostly impossible unless you purposefully suspend your construction orders to FORCE the issue for him.

But that's part of the challenge with DF.

[TD1]

Dwarf Fortress is my favourite game for that reason.

Perhaps this is a betrayal, but Minecraft is my second favourite, because you can make it as challenging as you like.

[Tack]

Woo woo megapwojekts.
I like minecraft- love online multiplayer- but the last server I played on the admin kinda abused their item-spawning privs, and it killed my buzz a little.

[Arx]

Modern gamers dont have the patience. They want instant gratification.  What do you think the major allure is with Freemium and "Free to play" (with in app purchases) are all about?

It certainly isnt about the challenge of the game. It's about the endorphins from "winning".

RE:DF scaffolding

Not if you make the wall double thick, and do it correctly.  Of course, getting Urist McDumbass to do it in the correct order is mostly impossible unless you purposefully suspend your construction orders to FORCE the issue for him.

But that's part of the challenge with DF.

Well, if you know it's built on a last-in first-out system, it's pretty simple. You just need all the resources immediately on hand.

[NJW2000]

MC, hmm? I used to be so into it, but servers I wasted time on a little, while I never started small enough w/ worldedit to megaproject well.

Should try a little more, than that I think more clearly, faster, and can plan better, especially with the customisable worlds: the one thing keeping me interested for a bit.

[wierd]

Modern gamers dont have the patience. They want instant gratification.  What do you think the major allure is with Freemium and "Free to play" (with in app purchases) are all about?

It certainly isnt about the challenge of the game. It's about the endorphins from "winning".

RE:DF scaffolding

Not if you make the wall double thick, and do it correctly.  Of course, getting Urist McDumbass to do it in the correct order is mostly impossible unless you purposefully suspend your construction orders to FORCE the issue for him.

But that's part of the challenge with DF.

Well, if you know it's built on a last-in first-out system, it's pretty simple. You just need all the resources immediately on hand.

Not if you have more than one mason.  The order becomes unpredictable when they are mismatched on hauling speed. Urist may construct his section of wall before Ducim gets there to do his, leaving a hole in the wall, and a job cancellation.

You circumvent this by ordering the double thick wall constructed, then suspending the whole wall's construction except for the last two wall positions. Then you re-enable 2 at a time as needed.

[NJW2000]

I've built a spire of Armok in my current fort, a dark-souls-ish (as I imagine it) irregular warren/ruin pointing upwards in a steepsharp cone, falling away eventually to nothing but a skeleton then a spike, covered in dust and fallen blocks and the blood of gorlaks.

I actually just tried to build a cylindrical tower with floors and a central staircase, but my Dwarves had other ideas about what is natural.

[pisskop]

so I just figured out that the default amount of embark point is no longer ~1300.  Le sigh.

[TempAcc]

I'm currently building a spiral shaped castle thing in a desert. Hopefuly adding minimun of 100 overworld Z levels to every site doesnt lag the game too much :v

To stay on topic:

[Loud Whispers]

I build dank Dorf Forts with scaffolding incorporated into the superstructure, a walkway always serves as a walkway and if you really want to you can destroy all of them with cave ins

[Sergarr]

real dorfs build Dorf Cubes, mystical 3D constructs entirely composed of up-down stairs