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[smeeprocket]

I'm so confused, this seems like a continuation of an entirely different thread.

[pisskop]

No, its several side comments on other threads.  But wtf encompasses everything from confusion to outrage to bemusement, so theoretically it fits here as well as anywhere.

[BlackFlyme]

My nan got me a daylight lamp. As in, one of those lamps designed to replace natural sunlight.

Doubt that those are all that effective, but it is incredibly bright.

[King Kravoka]

Speaking of Developous check out this.

Spoiler: Nexian Ethics (click to show/hide)

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[ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON]
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[ETHIC:KILL_ANIMAL:JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON]
[ETHIC:KILL_PLANT:JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON]
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[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION:JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON]
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[ETHIC:LYING:JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON]
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[ETHIC:THEFT:JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON]
[ETHIC:ASSAULT:JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON]
[ETHIC:SLAVERY:JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:JUSTIFIED_IF_GOOD_REASON]
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[Sergarr]

I dont understand what has brought about this wave of dissatisfaction at weapons in DF.  Did they seem broken before you found out how large/small/happy/sad they were?

They did, actually. There was no discernible difference between slashes by a short sword and a two-hander, and I didn't understood why until I saw the Urist's research. Now I know that there wasn't any because:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

1) The contact areas were wayy too high, ensuring that they both basically hit the whole layer as if they were peeling it off (explaining why slashing off big creature's body parts wasn't working out very well).
2) The sizes didn't matter as much as they probably should have (there is ~20% difference in momentum between a steel short sword (about 60) and a steel two-hander (about 70), which is basically not an issue because cutting damage is very OP).

But at least now that I know, I can plot around these issues.

[pisskop]

But . . . never mind.

You could mod the weapons to make them more sensible to you, right?  I DL a 'realistic' weapon mod if it worked as advertised.

[Sergarr]

That's what I'm actually doing at this very moment. Testing and balancing all those weapons so that swords do not stab through steel breastplates.

[Putnam]

Okay, the thing about that is that a freaking kukri can cut a human in half in reality with enough force. It's perfectly reasonable to have two-handed swords and short swords not have any real contact difference against humanoids.

[smeeprocket]

GAIS

this is a serious discussion about WTF.

Total derail.

[Furtuka]

Nah this is normal for the emotions threads. They don't really have rails in the first place

[TD1]

No, they do have rails, but they're made of I-Can't-Believe-It's-not-Butter Butter.

[TheDarkStar]

Nah this is normal for the emotions threads. They don't really have rails in the first place

Nah, it had rails. The short swords cut them into pieces, though.

How realistic is it for the swords to cut/not cut the varying kinds of armor?

[pisskop]

Nah this is normal for the emotions threads. They don't really have rails in the first place

Nah, it had rails. The short swords cut them into pieces, though.

How realistic is it for the swords to cut/not cut the varying kinds of armor?

No clue, aside from the evidence that most armor was made to deflect slashes and the stabs got stuck if they did go.

I do know there was a reason sword got larger and shields were dropped in favor of range and armor.  Larger swords had more weight to swing and more armor piercing-ness.

[Putnam]

Nah this is normal for the emotions threads. They don't really have rails in the first place

How realistic is it for the swords to cut/not cut the varying kinds of armor?

It should, if it's a square hit, which it often isn't.

[Sergarr]

Okay, the thing about that is that a freaking kukri can cut a human in half in reality with enough force. It's perfectly reasonable to have two-handed swords and short swords not have any real contact difference against humanoids.

You don't quite get it. The contact hit area of a short sword is 20000. The contact area of an elephant's leg is about 2000.

That's why cutting into large-sized creatures is so hard - you don't cut them - you peel them open like an orange.