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[Frumple]

Can it not be both?

Alternately, dude was probably drunk out his mind. Or otherwise intoxicated. Remember what a symposium was back then. Buncha dudes getting together to get utterly blitzed and talk about things they won't remember the next day. Like a frat party, except instead of "chug" they actually take the question "what is love" seriously, instead of responding with a meme that wouldn't exist for many centuries. Except for the ones that were drunk enough to actually see the future.

So. Bit drunk, and then screwing with people while simultaneously making some sort of point.

And, of course, more importantly it wasn't aristophanes speaking, but plato speaking through aristophanes. Remember that lens, and don't try to figure out what aristophanes was intending to say -- try to figure out what plato was trying to say with what aristophanes was saying.

[Arx]

I'm probably going to end up working late tonight, and I'm looking forward to it because it means I get to be alone. Weird.

[pisskop]

I'm probably going to end up working late tonight, and I'm looking forward to it because it means I get to be alone. Weird.

Nonsense, working alone is almost always preferable to working with others.  I don't mind others, and friends with similar outlooks and etc, but being alone lets you put on music, be a goof, and play with toys.  Like when I was 16 working the night shift at a certain Mental Health Clinic I would right around the basement in a wheelchair and spray the floors with concentrated aerosol scents.  Which then had to be lit on fire.

One time, I duct taped a can to a giant garbage bag and put it into a container.  I then dropped a quality match inside and the resulting fire almost made me a felon.  It was great, though, the initial jet of fire and then the continuous leap of flame, despite me putting it into a shower area.

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Now that Im more responsible about it, working alone is a chance to goof off and have fun in an otherwise stuffy environment.

[mastahcheese]

Remind me to never let pisskop work unsupervised.
Ever.

[EnigmaticHat]

At that place where you work(ed?), he would be right at home.  Wouldn't even have to be unsupervised, he could just light shit on fire and all the other employees would stare blankly.

[Arx]

Everyone knows that a deodorant can flamethrower is a viable way to fry chips.

[pisskop]

I guess now is the time to officially condemn casual firestarting.  I was a bad kid, yeah?  Bad.

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Light with a purpose

[Arx]

This would be an excellent time for KaelGotDwarves to show up again, but it's probably too much to hope for.

[Tawa]

The number of gamers that will honestly argue that it's a bad thing to make a game easier to learn.

I guess people like their elitist clubs. As a player of one of the most niche and hard-to-learn games, I don't get it. I want more friends to play video games with.

I sort of agree, but that's because making games easier to learn often dumbs them down, introduces assloads of trolls into the community, or both. It'd be like if they translated LotR into Wikipedia-esque Simple English. A lot of the magic of the books would be lost and the stuffy Tolkien purists would be besieged by idiots who can't spell.

Sometimes, the difficulty of learning a game is part of its charm, anyway. [read: Tawarochir is a dorf fort/nethack/cataclysm fanatic with a +13 to Will saving throws and opposed Sense Motive-to-Diplomacy rolls]

[Neonivek]

The number of gamers that will honestly argue that it's a bad thing to make a game easier to learn.

I guess people like their elitist clubs. As a player of one of the most niche and hard-to-learn games, I don't get it. I want more friends to play video games with.

I sort of agree, but that's because making games easier to learn often dumbs them down, introduces assloads of trolls into the community, or both. It'd be like if they translated LotR into Wikipedia-esque Simple English. A lot of the magic of the books would be lost and the stuffy Tolkien purists would be besieged by idiots who can't spell.

Sometimes, the difficulty of learning a game is part of its charm, anyway. [read: Tawarochir is a dorf fort/nethack/cataclysm fanatic with a +13 to Will saving throws and opposed Sense Motive-to-Diplomacy rolls]

You can find a HECK OF A LOT more pathetically easy games that overly coddle you and hit you over the head with unskippable tutorials then you can find games where you genuinely need to learn how to play.

If I am going to use a game as a comparison... Lets say Lands of Lore

I am not going to sit here and pretend like Lands of Lore is a genuinely perfect game... it had a lot of problems namely its horrible mess of an interface, stupid copyright protection, and sometimes the game could get REALLY insane with the solutions. In fact its biggest issue is how hard it is to play and the fact that you have to either memorize everything or have the manual infront of you in order to play. It makes the game nearly unplayable even for me.

Yet the fact that you can get stumped on a puzzle and have to think things out... is a novelty games DESPISE! "Lets make it easier to learn, we should have the game TELL YOU that you can freeze water with freeze spells" at which I would go "Heck no! The game rewarded you for thinking AND it was what you were expected to discover without the game telling you".

It isn't Elitism it is just knowing that the game had a edge and requires a certain level of thinking in order to play. The game doesn't hand you the solutions and I value the game because of it. What it needs is a better interface, tell you what items do, and tell you what the spell levels do. By making the game "Easier to learn" you are taking away the point of the game which is "thinking".

People are against videogames removing thinking from the equation. Sure a lot more people would be able to play, but it would be like replacing all Bikes with bikes with irremovable training wheels so "everyone can learn", which is what people are against.

Is that Elitist? Maybe, but your being egalitarian.

[Sergarr]

The amount of bullshit events that happened in this year is astonishing.

One plane disparaging, one plane shot down, ISIS rising and conquering half of the Iraq with ridiculous ease, the Ukraine stuff, the Ebola outbreak...

Is this how the Mayan end of the world looks like? Maybe the predictions were off by two years?

EDIT: Oh and I also forgot a gigantic volcano eruption in Iceland. What joys!

[timferius]

If this is the end of the world, it's a tad lame at this point. Planes crash, third world countries war, second world countries revolt, diseases outbreak. Nothing really too out of the norm, just in places with more media coverage this year.

[mastahcheese]

Norse mythology is better.

Fimbulwinter followed by Ragnarok beats plane crashes any day.

[BlitzDungeoneer]

If that is indeed true, then Project: Fuck This Shit will have to commence 10 years early. No matter, I can work around this. Yes... That will do.

Norse mythology is better.

Fimbulwinter followed by Ragnarok beats plane crashes any day.

Imma have to agree.

[Arx]

I must say, I'm enjoying living at the bottom of the world more than normal this year. No-one cares about us enough to fly, no-one wants to travel all the way here overland, and our government is at least not extremely religious.

Norse mythology has one of the best ends-of-the-world, I agree.