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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #17040 on: September 20, 2012, 12:13:57 pm »

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« Reply #17041 on: September 20, 2012, 12:18:55 pm »

... that's not a new game. Just a fancier board than normal. Drunken Battleship is a classic.
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« Reply #17042 on: September 20, 2012, 12:37:41 pm »

I'm saying that making a big deal about what happens in movies is ridiculous. And just for clarification, where is my strawman? It seems like something that gets claimed a lot here, even where it isn't really there. At most, I put some hyperbole in there.

The hyperbole is the strawman. A strawman is the act of ascribing positions to your opponent that they don't have, or arguments that they don't use. You did both with "Saying that a film should have to have female main characters or else it obviously hates women".
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« Reply #17043 on: September 20, 2012, 12:44:09 pm »

A sad/wtf mix, when i drove out of my street yesterday (its a side-street of a semi-major road) on my bike, going to school, i as usual drove to the close bus stop where i wait for my friend. There was a black (well, more like brown, but it was clear that he was not a white man with a tan) man with only a few dirty looking clothes and a wooden guitar thingy (banjo?) trying to lift at the bus stop. That's all he had. It was really the kind of view that a professional photographer would take a picture off to put it in a paper with a semi-symbolic meaning.
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« Reply #17044 on: September 20, 2012, 12:55:32 pm »

Okay so I think that feminism is a big dramay thing, you all think it's okay, neither of us are going to let up, that's pretty much the entire thing. But I am more than willing to ignore that because of the new xkcd comic. I really don't think I can see this whole thing in one sitting. I've currently crossed the ocean to the left and am looking around the underground section. It's all so HUGE.
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« Reply #17045 on: September 20, 2012, 01:11:39 pm »

As a side note, I did notice that in the same sentence you accused me of using a strawman, you also accused me of supporting wife beating.
I'm pretty sure that was an intentional example of illustrative irony. But yes, you were strawmanning - you were arguing against a position no one holds. Certainly no one here, and no feminist elsewhere I've ever met anyway.

And feminism doesn't just to woman's stuff, they've actually been doing a lot of stuff to help guys escape from their repressive gender roles as well. The name is certainly a bit of a misnomer in some ways, because as it's commonly applied today it's not really woman specific.
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« Reply #17046 on: September 20, 2012, 01:13:51 pm »

I think feminism provides an alternative look at sociology, but its jsut an alternative.  Its commonly overhyped and taken to an extremity that undermines the work it does.  Psychoanalysis did that, and now the very mention of Freud brings rants of... well....
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« Reply #17047 on: September 20, 2012, 01:24:09 pm »

I think feminism provides an alternative look at sociology, but its jsut an alternative.  Its commonly overhyped and taken to an extremity that undermines the work it does.  Psychoanalysis did that, and now the very mention of Freud brings rants of... well....

It would be more accurately that it is rarely but noticeably taken to an extremity that undermines the work it does. The majority of feminism is productive and a good thing.
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« Reply #17048 on: September 20, 2012, 01:38:11 pm »

The Bechdeltest and how many movies fail it! O.o
I guess this makes mine today.
More feminist bullshit. Saying that a film should have to have female main characters or else it obviously hates women. It sounds like one of these things where they're picking over something incredibly inane to pretend that women are some sort of oppressed slave class.
Nice strawman there. Did you make it yourself, or find it written on a bookmark in an old volume of How to Beat Your Wife::)

Did you even read what it measures? All a movie has to do to pass is have at least one scene (no matter how short) where 1. two female characters (named, if you follow a stricter standard) 2. talk about something 3. other than men.

Now think about how many movies fail it. Then think about how many movies fail the reverse (having at least one scene where two or more named male characters talk about something other than women). It's not about individual movies being sexist, it's about the industry as a whole having a decidedly (heterosexual) male-oriented slant.

I'm reallly sick of this neo-masculinism (andrinism?) thing where men use the fact that there are some admittedly crazy feminists to dismiss feminism as a whole. It's like saying that environmental activists are all lunatic nutjobs because of PETA. That, and it's a poorly disguised excuse for certain types of men to go right on being sexist assholes.
I'm saying that making a big deal about what happens in movies is ridiculous. And just for clarification, where is my strawman? It seems like something that gets claimed a lot here, even where it isn't really there. At most, I put some hyperbole in there.

But it's the fact that it's acting as if the speaking roles in movies is actually important. Which it really isn't. As well as that I dislike feminism, I find it hard to believe that something named feminism is for equal rights rather than female superiority.

As a side note, I did notice that in the same sentence you accused me of using a strawman, you also accused me of supporting wife beating.

More feminist bullshit. Saying that a film should have to have female main characters or else it obviously hates women. It sounds like one of these things where they're picking over something incredibly inane to pretend that women are some sort of oppressed slave class.

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You presented the Bechdel test as being something it obviously isn't, then used that faulty representation to dismiss it as "more feminist bullshit". What you did was a damned near perfect example of a strawman.

Feminism is dubbed what it is because the movement began when women were clear-cut second class citizens. What's next, are you going to try and claim that the NAACP exists to promote black supremacy?

Re: Your last point. My statement was a clear example of sarcasm. Oh, wait.

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I was making an ironic statement about the views which tend to lurk just beneath the surface of your apparent stance, while also showing just how much I detest that sort of thinking. It also helps that I wasn't the one spouting the sort of crap that you typically hear from misogynists who don't want to admit that they're bigoted. It's rather strange how so many white-heterosexual-males in the West tend to see "Let's have everyone be equal." as "Dem wimmenz and n- want to make us slaves!" Actually, not so strange. It's nice being on the top of the social order, isn't it? Almost makes one want to deliberately resist anything that might force one to compete with everyone else on an equal playing field.
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« Reply #17049 on: September 20, 2012, 02:08:56 pm »

I was making an ironic statement about the views which tend to lurk just beneath the surface of your apparent stance, while also showing just how much I detest that sort of thinking. It also helps that I wasn't the one spouting the sort of crap that you typically hear from misogynists who don't want to admit that they're bigoted. It's rather strange how so many white-heterosexual-males in the West tend to see "Let's have everyone be equal." as "Dem wimmenz and n- want to make us slaves!" Actually, not so strange. It's nice being on the top of the social order, isn't it? Almost makes one want to deliberately resist anything that might force one to compete with everyone else on an equal playing field.
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« Reply #17050 on: September 20, 2012, 02:11:40 pm »

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« Reply #17051 on: September 20, 2012, 02:32:47 pm »

http://www.macromeme.com/dog/learning-german.html
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« Reply #17053 on: September 20, 2012, 03:30:41 pm »

What a fucking terrible idea.
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« Reply #17054 on: September 20, 2012, 03:31:01 pm »

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/georgia-indoor-gun-range-given-liquor-license-opening-192214797.html

what could possibly go wrong?

Haha.

Funnily enough I just noticed that the coffee shop I go to in the morning apparently has a liquor license and sells beer.  I find that so odd for some reason.
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