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[Neonivek]

I thought the fact that America was on the verge of acceptance as well as the prominence of the black community that gave Martin Luther King Jr. headway...

Not some sort of upsurge in rampant or systematic abuse.

[Flying Dice]

If they want to decry fascism, they need to decry the aggressive lobbying of big business, big banking, and pals-- and be very opposed to corporate powers in general.

The way US corporations are run is very much fascist in structure. They should be championing for radical change in US business culture, radical change in lobbying law, radical change in what constitutes quid-pro-quo, radical change in porkbarrel politics, etc.

Instead, they are just yelling and screaming at people they dont like.

Welcome to leftist extremism in America. Pretty much every anarchist with an ounce of brains figured out that it wasn't viable decades ago. Speaking of...

Two weeks later, a headline about a group of masked thugs being gunned down when they tried to feed someone's dog meat laced with ground glass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=98&v=q9Mh_pDJBAE

The real beauty of that fuckwit who shouted "Nazi punks fuck off!" at the end of the video is that he's taking it as another empty slogan, totally ignorant of the context behind it. It became a distinct phrase in '81 when the DKs released "Nazi Punks Fuck Off" as a single. A song about how people who got into punk for mindless violence and edginess are doing nothing of worth, causing infighting within the left, and helping to enable economic and political corruption. Which is, uh, rather on the nose for how antifas and similar types tend to play out, just swap around the symbols a bit.

[overseer05-15]

I thought the fact that America was on the verge of acceptance as well as the prominence of the black community that gave Martin Luther King Jr. headway...

Not some sort of upsurge in rampant or systematic abuse.

More than one thing at once, Neo.
We all know very well that the racism dodn't go *POOF* overnight. The more accepting of equality signed on with peace for peace, the slightly less accepting signed on with peace to avoid violence, and theres the assholes who never really signed on.

[wierd]

Then there are those who do not understand the concept of equality.

[overseer05-15]

Then there are those who do not understand the concept of equality.

The problem with equality is that everyone wants it on their own terms.

[wierd]

Then they dont want equality, they want what the other guy has. They are not the same thing.

If the other guy has an advantage, and they want that advantage too, then either nobody ends up advantaged (equality), or you just replace the other guy. (Unfair advantage remains, just a new face to hold the title.)

Equality cannot endure in the face of the latter. They are mutually exclusive.  If you want equality, you want nobody to have an advantage. Not even yourself. (Especially not yourself.)

Like I said-- there are people who dont understand this.

[Tack]

Well, the grass is always greener on the other side.
Hard to get true equality when nobody is an outsider.

[Neonivek]

The reason why Equality isn't clear cut is because pure egalitarianism is not only nonsensical but undesirable.

People do NEED to be treated differently from one another because everyone has different needs. This is the plain fact of the matter.

So you have a conflict of two seemingly contradictory points that both must be true:

Everyone should be treated equally, everyone should be treated differently from one another. These two counterpoints are the essence of true equality.

This isn't even getting into what people deserve.

[Tack]

Spoiler: Sort of thing? (click to show/hide)

But my idea of the actual push for 'gender equality' is just that.
Women being just as free to do whatever jobs they want, regardless of difficulty or danger, and taking the risks and difficulties which come with that in sway.

[Neonivek]

Also SERIOUSLY why is the fictional church so much cooler than the real one?

"Oooh no! My family has been dying left and right and there is nothing I can do"
Cool priest: "Well, looks like it is time for the Church to be involved"
Me: "Wait what? No one told me the Church had a detective division!"

Every once in a while I stumble across a piece of fiction that wonderfully upgrades the power of the Church while still letting the audience know that this is the Church not a fictionalized version of it.

[wierd]

Spoiler: Sort of thing? (click to show/hide)

But my idea of the actual push for 'gender equality' is just that.
Women being just as free to do whatever jobs they want, regardless of difficulty or danger, and taking the risks and difficulties which come with that in sway.

The problem I have with depictions like that one, and with the rhetoric Neon used, is that it treats situations as fundamentally unchangeable, except via constant application of amelioration.

For somebody that is simply not as tall as other people, this is true-- but the illustration uses this simplicity to conceal a more difficult truth-- Many of the disenfranchised are not FUNDAMENTALLY less able, and so, DO NOT NEED ENDLESS AMELIORATION.

See for instance, the total success story of women's suffrage (USA).  Do women need special protection at the polls to cast ballots today? No-- they don't. Did they need it 80 years ago? Hell yes they did.

Despite this being an evident truth, we have a different story with race relations and hatreds in this country, and the indefinite application of ameliorations, with the subtle underlying understanding by some that continual application is the ideal-- that they are a short person, and will always need 3 boxes to reach the fruit--, when in fact, they are a tall person that has somebody pushing down on them, and being told they will always need the boxes is just more pushing down on them.

[ChairmanPoo]

The problem with equality is that every bumpkin peasant starts thinking him or herself the equal of the nobility, and what do we get then?  Chaos! Bestiality! Disaster!  Cats and dogs living together!

[martinuzz]

The problem with equality is that every bumpkin peasant starts thinking him or herself the equal of the nobility, and what do we get then?  Chaos! Bestiality! Disaster!  Cats and dogs living together!

Worse, we get more nobles

[Neonivek]

It was only a simple statement to get an idea of why equality isn't a very simple idea.

Equal and different is just a framework, a skeleton towards a more well rounded picture. As well as a hint for why equality can be bastardized.

Not to mention that the reasons why someone needs to be treated differently can be more than simply different needs. As well "equally" and "differently" are also the same thing.

The "rhetoric" I used can very well be used to justify systematic racism.

[overseer05-15]

The problem with equality is that every bumpkin peasant starts thinking him or herself the equal of the nobility, and what do we get then?  Chaos! Bestiality! Disaster!  Cats and dogs living together!

Worse, we get more nobles

vive la guillotine