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[penguinofhonor]

On the Dawkins being a dick thing, here's something from a couple days ago.

Dawkins calls for 'Catholic' honesty

The survey finding “should come in for a fair degree of ridicule,” he added. “I wouldn’t hold back on the ridicule”.

He's not very respectful.

[GlyphGryph]

There's nothing disrespectful here against religion, though.

[Lord Shonus]

You mean statements like "The number of priests is going down beautifully." isn't disrespectful? If I said the same thing referencing atheists, a lot of people would be screaming for my head.

[GlyphGryph]

Not particularly, no?

If a democrat said they were happy at the decreasing number of Republican politicians, I certainly wouldn't see that as terribly disrespectful.

[MonkeyHead]

I imagine a fair few Republicans might though.

[GlyphGryph]

Seeing something as disrespectful and something actually being disrespectful are quite different things.

[MonkeyHead]

Depends on where you are standing, really, and in whose shoes.

I am sure a few months ago this very same topic descended into a massive rage argument about semantics, so I retract the above statement.

[penguinofhonor]

If you don't find telling Catholics who disagree with the church to stop calling themselves Catholic disrespectful, I doubt you've ever actually spoken to a Catholic who disagrees with the church.

[GlyphGryph]

I consider pretty silly, sure.

[penguinofhonor]

There's a lot more to being Catholic than the church's official teachings. Personally, I don't get it. But there are some Catholics who I very much respect that disagree with the church, so I'm going to have to believe what they have to say about their own faith.

If a democrat said they were happy at the decreasing number of Republican politicians, I certainly wouldn't see that as terribly disrespectful.

See, this is an attitude I can't respect. Religious people aren't an atheist's opponents.

[Tellemurius]

The catholic church tries to understand modern times but its really nitpicky still, we don't hate gay people as we did before and family planning is slowly crawling in but i don't expect any massive change until another 50 or hundred years. (catholic thats not dealing with the world issues just his community thanks)

[Leafsnail]

He's not disbelieving what they say, though.  He's just saying they shouldn't support an institution which doesn't agree with them (to be honest I have to agree to some extent - if a politician has horrible views then I'd expect people who self identify as followers to share them, and not give much stock to "Well I don't agree with him, I just support him" as an excuse).

Other than their views, the Catholic church is horribly corrupt and the Pope himself tried to cover up child abuse.  I can see why you'd welcome people going to other denominations - it'd maybe send out a message to the leadership that they have to clean up their act and start representing their followers if they want to have any relevance.

[Tellemurius]

He's not disbelieving what they say, though.  He's just saying they shouldn't support an institution which doesn't agree with them (to be honest I have to agree to some extent - if a politician has horrible views then I'd expect people who self identify as followers to share them, and not give much stock to "Well I don't agree with him, I just support him" as an excuse).

Other than their views, the Catholic church is horribly corrupt and the Pope himself tried to cover up child abuse.  I can see why you'd welcome people going to other denominations - it'd maybe send out a message to the leadership that they have to clean up their act and start representing their followers if they want to have any relevance.

You know i would leave at any time but then what would i worship then?

In other news EA is pissing me off as it keeps loading up god damn south american servers for BF3. Goddamnit i got a US ip address how much fucking clue you need?

[Flying Dice]

He's not disbelieving what they say, though.  He's just saying they shouldn't support an institution which doesn't agree with them (to be honest I have to agree to some extent - if a politician has horrible views then I'd expect people who self identify as followers to share them, and not give much stock to "Well I don't agree with him, I just support him" as an excuse).

Other than their views, the Catholic church is horribly corrupt and the Pope himself tried to cover up child abuse.  I can see why you'd welcome people going to other denominations - it'd maybe send out a message to the leadership that they have to clean up their act and start representing their followers if they want to have any relevance.

You know i would leave at any time but then what would i worship then?

Joe Pesci? 

[ChairmanPoo]

It kind of confuses me when purported atheists/agnostics "advise" adherents of faith X to join faith Y because it's less corrupt/more "pure"/yadda yadda. If it's silly, it's silly, the shape of the hat won't improve it.