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Dermonster

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #105030 on: June 27, 2016, 02:16:52 pm »

Making a character based on you is not a terrible idea. after all we're all individuals with some character to us right?
The problems start when you try forcibly enhancing "yourself" (because we're all cool and special right?) because you want to be "cool" and kinda ending up like sonic the hedgehog.
Trying too hard and ending up as the polar opposite of cool with a mary sue asswipe of a character.

Yeah don't get me wrong theres a lot of shit like that.

But I've also seen pretty decent examples as well.

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #105031 on: June 27, 2016, 04:11:27 pm »

Eh.
I've never made a character based on me, and never will, because I've never seen it done well. I've looked at things I was told were good SI, but never found 'em good.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #105032 on: June 27, 2016, 04:40:00 pm »

Making a character based on you is not a terrible idea. after all we're all individuals with some character to us right?
The problems start when you try forcibly enhancing "yourself" (because we're all cool and special right?) because you want to be "cool" and kinda ending up like sonic the hedgehog.
Trying too hard and ending up as the polar opposite of cool with a mary sue asswipe of a character.
A trend I've seen a lot is something sort of like this, but a byproduct of the author's utterly deflated self-esteem and an attempt to make them seem like a worse person than they actually are. They make a character who is them, but has some kind of element to them that shoots them into "awful" territory (the most common one I've seen is where it's them but they go out of their way to verbally lash out at people and make snide comments to peoples' faces.)

When this isn't just the author trying to make themselves seem like a worse person than they actually are, it's usually a specific attempt to not create a Mary Sue (and in the process, creating one who's just as bad--it's still an idealized version of the author, it's just not one other people like.) These characters are arguably even more common than traditional Mary Sues (in fact, the archetypal Sue, Ebony "Enoby" "TaEbory" Dark'ness Dementia Raven TARA Way nut Mary Su OK, has elements of this; the author repeatedly makes claims the character isn't a Sue because they're, variously, depressed, suicidal, or has a tragic backstory that's never expanded upon, but because the author glorifies these things, it arguably makes the character even more of a Sue than if they weren't.)

The delicate balance of creating a self-insert isn't worth it, really; you have to have quite a bit of self-control to stop the character from straying into either Sue or Anti-Sue territory, and for what? Writing yourself? Is that honestly worth taking such painstaking measures to prevent it from becoming a power fantasy? The one place I'd say it's worth it is if you're deliberately trying to poke fun at self-inserts.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #105033 on: June 27, 2016, 05:46:44 pm »

Chapter 1: A Hurried Resolution

It didn't take me too long to realize I wasn't in my own universe.

It took me even less time to resolve to avoid adventure, conflict, danger, and/or the main characters entirely, for the sake of my health.
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And that, not the pain of avoiding sue-ness, is why I don't think I'm going to write a self-insert any time soon. Because it would likely be boring as all heck.
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« Reply #105034 on: June 27, 2016, 06:04:12 pm »

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #105035 on: June 27, 2016, 06:28:57 pm »

god /r/futurology is by far my least favorite subreddit

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #105036 on: June 27, 2016, 06:42:07 pm »

Even r/shitstatistssay hates it
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #105037 on: June 27, 2016, 09:13:09 pm »

Making a character based on you is not a terrible idea. after all we're all individuals with some character to us right?
The problems start when you try forcibly enhancing "yourself" (because we're all cool and special right?) because you want to be "cool" and kinda ending up like sonic the hedgehog.
Trying too hard and ending up as the polar opposite of cool with a mary sue asswipe of a character.

Yeah don't get me wrong theres a lot of shit like that.

But I've also seen pretty decent examples as well.

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Mm, there are some good SI writers. And the harsh criticism is usually enough to keep anything worse than boring away. The key's to make sure to shit on your SI more than canon does on canon characters.

And usually the good ones are really damn good, and the bad ones are obvious enough to steer clear of. Anything that begins with the predictable freakout and internal monologue is usually an easy skip. The Robert Baratheon one that's running right now has an interesting approach in which the author never writes from the perspective of the SI, and it's a good story besides.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #105038 on: June 27, 2016, 09:20:36 pm »

I think there's like no FoZ there at all now. Currently it is all about self-inserts and Worm. Like, holy shit do they have a LOT of self-insert fanfiction over here now. It's positively ridiculous.
Nah, there's a few ZnT fics still being updated on SB. Think there's a couple other ones on SV, too. They've definitely cut way back, though.

And yeah, lots of SIs. Considering it mostly seems due to TA/Supcom/PA fics, I can accept that :V
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« Reply #105039 on: June 27, 2016, 09:27:16 pm »

It would be really nice if I were able to install more than one fucking app on my phone, but the preinstalled shitware takes up nearly the entire internal storage, and pretty much any app I want to use refuses to install to SD.
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« Reply #105040 on: June 27, 2016, 10:02:01 pm »

...Generally I've seen rooting phones as a cool and novel but ultimately unnecessary passtime.  Maybe because a friend of mine likes to talk about it a lot.

But you really might want to look into it.  That's ridiculous.
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #105041 on: June 27, 2016, 10:59:35 pm »

It would be really nice if I were able to install more than one fucking app on my phone, but the preinstalled shitware takes up nearly the entire internal storage, and pretty much any app I want to use refuses to install to SD.

Root and link2sd are your friends.

Also, if you disable the pre-installed bloatware, they don't take up user space.
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« Reply #105042 on: June 27, 2016, 11:33:23 pm »

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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #105043 on: June 27, 2016, 11:42:37 pm »

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"The bulk of [Derm]'s atrocities seem to stem from him doing things that [Magic] doesn't actually do." - TvTropes
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Re: Things that made you go "WTF?" today o_O
« Reply #105044 on: June 27, 2016, 11:48:29 pm »

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