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[dragonshardz]

Death of ACTA - Dan Bull

Only rapper to be called a thief without stealing
Download an MP3 for free, these people hit the ceiling
I'm just a citizen that's teaching you a lesson
for restricting my freedom of expression
How can ideas be possessions when they're freely replicable?
Hence unapplicable property laws are reprehensible
Didn't Jefferson express his opinion on the matter
when he said inventions shouldn't be given a patent
What happened to that thinking, we're stuck in a pattern
where the people with everything are keeping everything from us who haven't
We want it back, look, fed up of adverts, left and right
begging me to buy til there's nothing left of mine
to spend, never mind, who's next in line to testify
that we need laws like these to protect our rights?
Medicine has never been something I'd ever deprive
especially when a life depends on it to survive
Yeah, it takes an incredible effort to develop them right
but putting wealth over health, I said it's never been right

I'm just a citizen that's teaching you a lesson
for restricting my freedom of expression, and I reckon
if old blues themes hadn't been used by Led Zeppelin
we wouldn't ever have any heavy metal then
the history of music would have never even happened
and amusingly there wouldn't even be a Metallica
to tell us that we should hang on the gallows of law
so we wouldn't even need to have a Gallo Report
Oh and by the way the fricking Gallo's support
is made of signatures which have been apparently forged
This shit is sinister, and cannot be allowed to enforce
so tell your ministers and MEPs of how it's been brought about
Although you'll probably get a shallow retort
because the lobbyists have got a grip around all their balls
If I was boss, I'd tell them get the Hell out the door
because I've had enough of corrupt crooks ramming through laws

I'm just a citizen that's teaching you a lesson
for restricting my freedom of expression
Yes, and deep packet inspection? squeeze that up your rectum
If your postman did that to you you'd be having him sectioned
arrested for meddling in your private affairs
But it's only online, right? so why should we care?
Because digital rights should be applicable right
here in real life, and we're not criminals, right?
So this is just why we'll never give up the fight
to be considered innocent until we kick up and die
Giving internet providers responsibility
for the whims of their subscribers infringes privacy
Before the internet, media was a rarity
but how do you expect it to keep its value without scarcity
And that's what scares me, seeing their cons and schemes
to stop their creaking business model being obsolete
What a robbery they pull off so obviously
Don't give a fuck who it affects as long as it's not me
Well I'll keep making copies, see if they can stop me
They'll have to confiscate my PC and take it off me
See there's no problem with taking my property
for creating some lines of binary, blatant hypocrisy
Afraid to face the controversy relating to what we need
Making a profit off it or breaking monopolies

Thoughts?

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[Realmfighter]

Copy right laws deserve to exist only if people who life off them are able to convince everyone else not to get rid of them.

And they're really screwing that up.

[Jackrabbit]

Copy right laws deserve to exist only if people who life off them are able to convince everyone else not to get rid of them.

And they're really screwing that up.

That's a very silly position you've taken there. Why is someone's only source of revenue only valid if they can convince people it's their only source of revenue?

e: Oh God pirating thread. I'm out before someone raises the Jolly Roger - OH NO.

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[Realmfighter]

Its only valid when the can get people to care.

That's like saying homicide laws only deserve to exist if people agree to live by them.

No, its more like if homicide laws only deserve to exist if people agree with them.

Which is true.

[Jackrabbit]

Its only valid when the can get people to care.

That's like saying homicide laws only deserve to exist if people agree to live by them.

No, its more like if homicide laws only deserve to exist if people agree with them.

Which is true.

Oh God, no, I get the feeling you're going to keep dragging me back in here by taking such a ridiculous position. You sneaky bastard.

Whether or not people believe it's valid doesn't remove the validity, because it's their source of income. If it wasn't there the industry would collapse. At least say that you're 'in the minority' and that 'a few pirated songs won't make a difference' instead of flat out saying the problem doesn't exist if enough people say it doesn't. They're not going to clap their hands and make money out of thin air you know. Belief isn't that strong a power.

[Realmfighter]

Not to you maybe.

But when they all stop paying and saying its not valid it suddenly stops being valid to them.

And if their the majority what you think doesn't matter.

[smigenboger]

Those huge million+ hits on Youtube are free to watch. You don't have to pay 8 cents to look at Dramatic Gopher.

Don't musicians make a killing off of concerts and live performances?

[Jackrabbit]

Not to you maybe.

But when they all stop paying and saying its not valid it suddenly stops being valid to them.

And if their the majority what you think doesn't matter.

And the music industry collapses.

But I think I get it. You're saying if everyone suddenly stopped believing they should pay artists money to produce art, then they would stop and the industry would collapse and hey, they should have convinced them they were worth their money, right?

But that doesn't really have anything to do with this discussion because if that did happen, again, the industry would collapse, there wouldn't be piracy because there wouldn't be much, if any, music coming out to pirate and copyright laws for music and movies wouldn't matter dick because who'd make them when nobody wants to pay money for them?

And this is ignoring the fact that everyone suddenly deciding to stop paying money is not something that will happen, and if it does (which it will not) the discussion is meaningless. So your opinion is extreme, pointless and really has no impact on anything. Why'd you bring it up again?

[Realmfighter]

I never said that everyone would stop paying for music, just that people will do what they will and no matter how much it is discussed and talked about they will still do what they will.

I have no idea why i brought it up, actually.

Spelling it out really does make me question why i said it in the first place.

[Jackrabbit]

Right, well. Jackrabbit away!

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[Willfor]

I don't think they make that much money from tours, I think the point is more to drum up popularity for their albums. Also, it would be hard for many musicians to reach that level without funds from album sales.

You've got it backwards. Most musicians live off of touring as the labels take quite a chunk of the profits. The exceptions are the mega pop stars who sell enough albums to actually make a living off of record sales alone. That's not to say they don't tour. Those tours would rake in even more money for them. The money in being a musician is the touring.

[Sir Pseudonymous]

Don't musicians make a killing off of concerts and live performances?

It's more that's all they really make money off of. Hell, at a concert I went to a few months ago, the lead singer/guitarist outright told the crowd to pirate their newest album, on the grounds that "it's awesome and we think everyone should hear it".