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Voting closed: October 22, 2010, 02:25:09 am

[Pandarsenic]

I think that providing evidence is a good thing to do, but for me to say it's NECESSARY would be hypocritical since I rely on my wintuition.

And I would say Toony has, indeed, provided evidence:

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Let's go through Zathras' history before I made my first post ingame, alright?

Random vote on Janus, you know the drill.
A fury of questions after the MOD (Ottofar) responds to him from the first question.  Let it be noted that not a single play has posted yet and he has questioned every player with random vote question, which isn't helpful.  Not many times does the random vote question win the game.  I think it's because he wants to seem like he's helping while staying on the higher ground of questioning.
Some fun non-serious chatter [:3] with a side of Gambler's Fallacy (I think he admits to doing it on purpose (fun!, but I don't recall.
Ridicolous post showing his faith in the Gambler's Fallacy, over eagerness in more questions towards Pandar.
Double posts telling everyone he's done posting for today.  Now this is important.  What I've noticed is when people play as Mafia they get anxious and therefore post a hell of a lot and don't want to make any mistakes.  So they tell everyone when they're leaving and etc.
Loves to double vote and double FoS people I see.  That's fine and all, but when I get there I'm getting there.  He even talks to the MOD some more, makes you seem involving right?
Now this is his first response to me.  In it he asks for evidence against most vote (of course), talks about us guys being no fun when he's probably being the most involved person here, and then he's a hypocrite by saying "I'm just town, don't lynch me."  When I've seen you do the same thing before.

Responding to the new posts since last time (with one post before because it's important).

I have a hunch that Toony is scum, but without his talking at all yet, how am I to validate it?

What can such a hunch be based off of? From whence is it originated?

From my gastric region, between my pylorus and duodenum. As hunches often do, it has no behavioural basis yet; it's just a hunch, a non-specific feeling that a proposition approximates reality without evidence to support it. Once conversation gets flowing, it'll be tested and supported or discarded based on evidence. But I mean, look at 'im; he must be scum. He even smells like scum.


...more coming up.

You have a ton of confidence in me being scum based on the area between your plyorus and duodenum.  You even expect more to be more scum by the "...more coming up" which either means you know I'll be doing something scummy in the future (hah) or you're doing an anti-town move, otherwise known as tunneling just to get someone lynched, you've been thinking I was scum beforehand, no?

I'm seeing a lot of puppies too, heh.  I don't know how that's relevant but I keep seeing it.

Starting here, again (counting other games) we see Zathras doing something moments ago which he considered anti-town and should be lynched for it.

Putting sentences in bold doesn't do much, I know you think I'm scum.  I wasn't here/there at the time to post anything.  By constantly posting the same garbage again you are just trying to get repetition on your side, which yes, is an anti-town move that makes people start believing your bullcrap.  If I don't respond to something you've said and I've posted after it you can kindly tell me something I've unwillingly missed.


Now hold on while I eat breakfast or else it'll get cold, hehe.

Continuing...

You responded the same way hypocrite.

And that's it for Zathras as of now.


My other suspicion would fall before Archangel, who would work well with Zathras.  A nice foil to his involvement in this game.
After being called on defending Zathras by Pandarsenic he immediately "gets into character" and tries to find suspicions of Zathras, anything at all really.
Besides my believe everyone should be judged the same.  I find that I mostly explain myself, and anything else is a lie.  I know "always" is an absolute term so I'll go with "mostly".

So after all that crud (with some minor bacon distractions) I'm going to officially state that I believe the scum team is Zathras and Archangel.  I don't know who's godfather or whatever though.

[ToonyMan]

I don't want to deal with Zathras' bullshit.  After posting my thoughts on him he wants me to quote his first fucking paragraph when he should know where it is because IT'S RIGHT THERE.  None of that small posting back and forth random crap.

[Pandarsenic]

Maybe he doesn't remember his arguments because he's scum and doesn't really believe anything he's saying.

[Zathras]

I don't want to deal with Zathras' bullshit.  After posting my thoughts on him he wants me to quote his first fucking paragraph when he should know where it is because IT'S RIGHT THERE.  None of that small posting back and forth random crap.

Dude, I've posted the top three paragraphs already, and you've said "no, not that one, the other one" to each. If it's so obvious and IT'S RIGHT THERE, how about quoting it? Can't be bothered? Quote button still broken?

So, how have I "found every person in this game scummy"? or been "sooper-defensive"? Provide direct, concise evidence for your allegations or hang, scum.

Or how about you answer my other questions: Am I tunneling? Am I doing things that I've said are anti-town?
You said I have, but not provided evidence. Since I haven't, you are lying, and digging a deeper grave for your lying corpse.

I think that providing evidence is a good thing to do, but for me to say it's NECESSARY would be hypocritical since I rely on my wintuition.
And I would say Toony has, indeed, provided evidence:

The entirety of Toony's two long posts.

Really dude? It is all evidence? Couldn't be bothered to snip the irrelevant bits, or bold the important ones? It's all, down to the bacon bits, precious evidence? C'mon; at least try not to look like you are protecting him...

Maybe he doesn't remember his arguments because he's scum and doesn't really believe anything he's saying.

Yeah. That must be it. Troll harder.

Pandar, you are now voting me. Can you cite the scumtells I'm up to my tits in? I mean, other than pressing people to provide evidence and rationale for their votes? No. It's your wintuition. Right. Hunches need to be tested, and supported or discarded based on evidence before they become votes. Otherwise you are just scum happy to see anyone hang based on nothing.


I'm by now pretty convinced that both of you are scum. I call for Archangel and JanusTwoface to come and resolve the situation: either hammer me if you think I'm lying, or place your votes on either of these two scumbags. I'm fine with hammering either one, but I think ToonyMan should hang first.

[ToonyMan]

You're making a big deal about something trivial, you admit you can even do it.  You're just wasting time and you can not blame this on me.

[Pandarsenic]

Resisting OMGUSing, then OMGUSing, against Toony (one of my favorites)
Attacking me for attacking Archangel for defending you
Using "NO U" arguments ("I'M NOT BEING SCREENED BY ARCHANGEL, TOONY IS BEING SCREENED BY YOU")
Implying that I'm defending Toony. No, I'm not. Don't say I am. I said he was town, maybe, but that I wouldn't vote based on it, and pointed out Archangel chainsawing against him. Those are very different things. This leads to the previous "NO U" argument. I said "Archangel is attacking someone for attacking Zathras," Archangel said "QUIT ATTACKING ZATHRAS." I didn't even say the call for evidence was invalid, I merely pointed out that it originated because Archangel is trying to protect you.

Satisfied, Zath?

Oh, and Janus is derp for saying that losing my post is an excuse for lurking because:
1) I've never used that excuse, thus it has none of his claimed meta basis (Consider this point refuted until he can link to a post where I used that excuse to lurk)
2) I posted content anyway, then remember the part I'd lost a little later and posting it.

Nonetheless, he still seems townish to me.

[Zathras]

I'll answer them inline, as breaking it up into one-line quote blocks would be unwieldy.

• Resisting OMGUSing, then OMGUSing, against Toony (one of my favorites) -- It's not OMGUS if it has reasons/evidence behind it; and wasn't Toony's vote an OMGUS on me for "FoSsing him twice before he came back from school"?
  
• Attacking me for attacking Archangel for defending you -- No, I attacked you for failing to ask Toony for evidence, and lashing at those who where, in a clear chainsaw defense.
  
• Using "NO U" arguments ("I'M NOT BEING SCREENED BY ARCHANGEL, TOONY IS BEING SCREENED BY YOU") -- That's a scumtell? Bah. I calls'em as I sees'em. You screened him; what others were doing is irrelevant to that. But call it what you will.
  
• Implying that I'm defending Toony. No, I'm not. Don't say I am. -- I didn't imply it; I outright said it and provided five pieces of evidence. You did and still are. The voters will decide if the evidence is compelling or not.

Satisfied, Zath?

Meh. I'm glad you got involved and listed them out. I find them flimsy and contrived, rather than satisfactory in themselves, but thanks for posting them. I think it interesting that you consider them damning enough to put me at L-1. It should give the others some food for thought.

So, about Toony: do you still think "he is Townish"? Since you seem to know what evidence he's referring to, and you clearly are able to use the quote button, can you point to the relevant paragraph he says proves I "found every person in this game scummy" or any of the other stuff that supposedly explains his lies?

About you: can you refute my claims that you are defending Toony, especially after your post quoting his entire posts as "evidence", and the one where you claim I don't remember my own arguments? If it was someone else doing that to you about one of my posts, wouldn't you call it out as defending me?

[ToonyMan]

You only find them "flimsy and contrived" because they're against you.  Stop relying on others to bust you out.  Also, thanks for realizing how much bullshit you were putting in this thread about me picking out a quote you already know of.

[Zathras]

You only find them "flimsy and contrived" because they're against you.  Stop relying on others to bust you out.  Also, thanks for realizing how much bullshit you were putting in this thread about me picking out a quote you already know of.

Of course they are flimsy: Numbers 2, 3 & 4 are essentially the same argument, and carry little weight. Of course they are contrived, he said "I'm up to [my] tits in scumtells" before 2, 3 & 4 had happened. When he said that, the only thing I had done that made his list was voting you.

As for you, Toony, I have nothing else to say to you until you directly and concisely answer my pending questions: Where did I "find every person in this game scummy"? How am I tunneling? Where have I done things that I've said are anti-town? Is it hypocritical for me to use your own words on you? These are the things you said I've done, and for which you say you are voting me, but provided no evidence. These are lies, which make you scum. Your resistance to substantiate them only seals your case.


Janus & Archangel: we seem to be at an impasse, and you'll be needed to weigh in and break the deadlock. As I said earlier, if you think I'm lying, hammer me -- I guarantee my vengekill will hit scum. Otherwise, put one of these two scumbags out of our collective misery.

[ToonyMan]

Sorry bud, you already asked those questions.  I have a no-dragging-shit-out-policy.

[JanusTwoface]

A few hours is going to be longer than that.  Real life gets complicated.

- post from phone

[Pandarsenic]

A few hours is going to be longer than that.  Real life gets complicated.

- post from phone

LURK LURK LURK

You're lucky I've had to deal with this and thus won't ride your ass for 574578573454543535345434655434654346554435346293867203789 years for it. We'll look forward to your return.

[Ottofar]

Votecount
Archangel
JanusTwoface
Pandarsenic
ToonyMan - Zathras (1)
Zathras - ToonyMan, Pandarsenic (2)
Not Voting: Archangel, JanusTwoface (2)

[Zathras]

I'm hesitant about Archangel, but I'm not in anything else right now.
In.

You remember correctly. I swear I will be as active as I can, however.

Hmm... they threw the lurker curse on each other. Crap. What, oh what, will become of the game without them? Maybe this'll inspire them.


JanusTwoface was never a lurker,
their mere sight turned him into a berserker.
        But he met a young maid,
        and hoped he'd get laid,
"Screw the game," he proclaimed, "I'll just pork'er!"

Archangel, a guy from Australia,
played plainly, no paraphernalia,
        his hunting was fine,
        his postings, benign.
The timezone, that was a failure.


* Ba da dish * Thank you. I'll be here all week. Tip your Modwaitress.

[ToonyMan]